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Posted by Terminal on 27 September 2015 - 02:01 PM
Posted by quilp on 05 June 2014 - 09:07 PM
Yes, I care, a lot. 70 years ago tonight, my Ol' man set out from Portsmouth in a flotilla of Motor Torpedo Boats to guard the ships and landing-craft from attack by German E-boats, in the English Channel and off the coast of Normandy. He and the various flotillas had spent the previous weeks skirting the coasts of France and Normandy on intelligence operations. This sounds all very dashing and probably was but it actually entailed drawing German shore-battery fire onto the boats to log the calibres, range, accuracy and position of the guns and what the landing forces might expect in the way of defensive tactics. Fortunately, it was found that the Germans had great difficulty in dropping rounds on small boats speeding in excess of 40 knots. The inclement weather at the time scored more damage than any munitions thrown their way but there were still a few close, if lucky escapes.
My Ma was in the 'Wrens' stationed at HMS Valkyre at the Villiers. Up to june 5th 1944, many ships had gathered in Douglas Bay. So many that it didn't seem possible there were so many in the whole of the Royal Navy. Everyone remarked on the proliferation of vessels. She was staying with her aunt at Rosemount and in the mornings, would walk down Crellin's Hill and along the prom to the Villiers station. On the morning of june 5th, she recalled getting to Greensills Corner and was astonished that there were hardly any vessels remaining. They had slipped quietly away in the night. Everyone knew that something big was coming off and there was a hush of expectancy that day.
The Ol' man never really talked about his experiences and Ma would admonish me if I questioned him, Such was their way. He did recount one episode which brought home to me his personal horror. One afternoon, the flotilla was off Dover carrying-out Depth-Charge practice (this brought to the surface copious amounts of fish, usually taken straight to the officers mess!) when suddenly the alarm sounded and everyone ordered to battle-stations. Within a couple of minutes 5 'Stukas' were screaming down on them and the sea around them was whipped up into a froth from the cannon-fire from the planes. As he was sparks/radio officer, it was his job to send and recieve information so he and his mate, a Canadian of whom the Ol' man was fond, made for the ladder that took them below. The Ol' man was first at the ladder, closely followed by his mate. At this moment, one of the Stukas had unloaded a 'stick' of bombs at his boat. They were pretty well-trained those pilots and had a good degree of accuracy. So while the Ol' man had one foot on the ladder he saw this stick leave the underside of the plane and the first splashes as the bombs hit the water, port side of the boat. He said he thought his time was up because each bomb was getting closer and closer to the target- him! He was half-way down the ladder when suddenly there was an almighty crash. One bomb had hit the side of the boat and carried on through it, without exploding! The shock-wave made the Ol' man lose his grip and he went down the ladder, literally and his chin- bang, bang, bang on every metal rung. It happened in almost slow-motion, according to him and he felt every smash on the way down, chipping teeth in the process, till he hit the deck below. Next thing he knew was the weight of his mates body landing on top of him. It fairly knocked the wind out of him. He said he came around in a micro-second and his first thought was to check on his mate. He said he jumped-up and immediately smashed his head open on a bulk-head but his concern for his mate kind of numbed any feeling. It was only after dragging his mate by the feet toward the radio-room that he realised his mucker was headless.
I'd badgered him to tell me about his war experiences and when he recounted this tale it was obvious to me, even at my young age then, that the tears in his eyes and the croak in his voice, that this was the reason she'd told me not to ask. And I never did, ever, again.
In April 1945, his flotilla took the voluntary surrender of a German e-boat squadron and he did say how relieved the German sailors were to've surrendered in one piece.
He was my hero, my Ol' man.
Ha! Eyes waterfalling....
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Posted by John Wright on 07 January 2015 - 07:53 PM
However what's the point of arguing with, or suing tameelf. Life is too short, ive got better things to do. I could have died in November when I had my pulmonary embolism. I'm lucky to be alive and too busy enjoying life now I'm walking again after my ankle fracture 13 weeks ago
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Posted by Stu Peters on 29 September 2015 - 05:44 PM
Knowing nothing about the story but looking through the comments in this thread I despair for the future of ManxForums.
We're talking about fellow human beings here folks, and even if she has no right to reside here with her bloke, the language being used by most posters is a disgrace.
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Posted by Gladys on 06 February 2016 - 01:59 PM
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Posted by woolley on 27 March 2015 - 11:54 PM
Jeez, what are the government allowed to charge for that a lot of yers won't fucking moan about? The same people that bleat on about where we are economically, rear up and roar about every single cost saving attempt.
I doubt this going to make that much difference to a significant amount of pensioners. And to those going up snaefell, bring some sandwiches.
The problem is that we know we need cuts but we aren't getting enough of them. We are getting a plethora of increased charges seemingly without a care about how people should find the money to pay for them. No sign of the promised means testing - "we don't have the vires."
If things are really so bad then by all means let us attack the pensioners for the their free travel and TV licences, the young families for their child care and everybody for the toilet tax and parking charges etc.
We will accept it all gladly - AFTER we have seen some fairness and some of the strain being taken by our leaders in the form of:
Cuts to the number of MHKs.
Cuts to the number of MLCs (maybe abolition).
Cuts to the number of staff twiddling their thumbs in Departments.
Cuts to eradicate totally unnecessary functions such as OFT & Public Health.
Cuts to the pay of everyone in the public sector earning over 50k and graduated upwards for those on twice this and more.
Cuts to the outrageous, unsustainable levels of pensions and lump sums that are being taken from the public purse.
Cuts to the nonsensical schemes and "improvements" that everyone can see are a waste of money except the government.
Cuts to the astronomical spending on consultants engaged at huge cost because nobody in-house has the wit or courage to do the job themselves.
When some of that starts to happen, maybe we will begin to accept some of the mean-minded charges with better grace, but not until. Don't forget, the measures that are hitting those least able to cope are being dreamed up by Departments controlled by people on anything from £70k to a quarter of a million a year and a feather bedded pension when they've finished - all paid for by the taxpayer.
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Posted by woolley on 24 May 2016 - 10:56 PM
We eschewed the delights of the public sector pensions meeting last night and instead attended the PAG gathering at the Manx Legion featuring Paul Craine on the subject of the Island’s population. Given that there were three political meetings clashing at the time, the turnout was respectable and the talk was fascinating. Paul obviously has an enthusiasm for Manx demographics, and has spent many years studying the subject. I don’t believe that anyone listening would dismiss his conclusions lightly. The only disappointing aspect was that Mrs W and I, hardly in the first flush of youth, were certainly in the youngest quarter of attendees there. As the evening progressed, we were perhaps presented with some of the reasons why.
There was a great deal of supporting information in the talk, but since nobody else has done so, I thought I would pull out a few points for a thread here and anyone who is attracted might like to get hold of the book “Isle of Man Population Atlas”. I can thoroughly recommend it as well worth the cost.
Paul spoke of a number of “population vulnerabilities” that the Island is subject to, such as ageing population, falling immigration, emigration of young people, lack of a population policy etc., and suggested that these could become very challenging quite quickly if not addressed. He wasn’t advocating any particular course of action. He was simply presenting his findings.
His most intriguing assertion in my view was that whilst the population continued to follow a gradual upward trend for a couple of years after the 2011 census, since then it has flatlined and in the last couple of years it has started to decline. This is obviously a serious matter for a small jurisdiction with huge commitments and an aspiration to increase the number of working heads of household by 1000 per year. Whilst Government projections speak of 91,000 by 2021, it isn’t happening at the moment.
Several indicators have been used in gathering the data. As well as information from the census office, Paul has also looked at trends such as the number of people registered with doctors and, in a particularly interesting exercise, he has followed school years from 1 to 13 through the past decade, and in the past few years has seen the numbers of children in those same years show a marked decline as they move through their school life suggesting families leaving the Island. This is borne out by the age splits in various areas of the Island that seem to be missing large numbers of twenty and thirty somethings compared to the numbers in previous decades. He has also used the UK 2011 census as an information source and found something like 1750 households at that time in the UK who, in answer to the question “Where were you living a year ago?”, answered “Isle of Man”.
We have a definite reduction in young working people having families. Those who came to the Island in the ‘80s, ‘90s and early ‘00s are now approaching their old age and they are not being followed into the Island by younger counterparts. Births registered in the Island are down by a staggering 23% since 2010.
Not only are younger people not immigrating to the Island from elsewhere, but we are also losing young Manx people to emigration. Numbers are going away to university as in earlier decades, despite charges now applying, but fewer are coming back to work here and have families.
Government policy was put forward as one possible direct driver of this "young person deficit" phenomenon. The UK government now offers 30 hours per week child care to young couples there worth up to £20k per year compared with a voucher for £800 here. At the same time, we all know the cost of getting on the property ladder and living here. Young people may well be comparing it with the UK, finding it wanting, and voting with their feet. Should the IOM government be trying to introduce social engineering policies to address these factors? Is there any point in having a £50 million enterprise development fund if we cannot attract or even hold on to local young people at the early stages of their careers who will be needed to staff new businesses?
There is a plethora of other interesting information in the maps and diagrams too. For instance the change in fuel usage in the Island and the decline of coal. The make up of the population at different times, the recent rise of the East Europeans, and much more.
All in all a very thought provoking evening.
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Posted by cheeky boy on 18 November 2014 - 04:29 PM
I was in court today for growing cannabis plants at my house
The sentence was 160 hours community service and it's probably lucky that I'm not spending Christmas in Jurby.
The process of being raided, having my house gone through and being locked up for sixteen hours was quite trying.
As a result of this I was sacked from work and an offer of another job was withdrawn after the press coverage.
Then followed weeks of anxious anticipation until the court date with the very real possibility of a jail sentence hanging over me.
I'm not posting here to get into the rights and wrongs of this, I just want to say a massive thank you to the hundreds of people who have supported me during this stressful time.
It can be a very isolating experience having your liberty in the hands of people you don't know and have never met, but everyone who spoke to me over the last six week has been supportive.
My family especially, but all kinds of random acts of kindness from people I hardly know. Someone brought me a bottle of Bushmills on the day the paper came out, several people stood me a lunch and many more bought me a pint or a cappuccino. But mostly it was just people wishing me luck and telling me not to worry
This has reminded me of why I love the Island and it's people. A big thanks to you all. I'm proud of you
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Posted by Norville Rogers on 03 March 2014 - 05:58 PM
Yep, meanwhile, back on thread, here they are:
A farmer, a gift pedlar, an arsonist, a postman, a shop assistant, an accountant, a businessman, a bank counter clerk and a pe teacher walked into a bar
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Posted by dilligaf on 21 March 2017 - 07:49 PM
Not many of us have a social conscience like Bill Dale has and I for one don't blame him being a little pissed off with events that seem to be aimed at his very successful work in cleaning our shitty beaches.
He has had many bins damaged, bags of "litter" cut open and god knows what else, things that seem to be aimed purely at hampering what is a fantastic job that he and the many volunteers do for all our sakes.
I can't understand the mocking of his sincerity and caring stance.
Bill deserves our support, not ridicule.
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Posted by Stu Peters on 16 August 2016 - 03:14 PM
Wow, I thought MF was a tough crowd until I posted on THAT group.
For the avoidance of doubt I have absolutely nothing against children with any physical or mental challenges, my initial post was about disruptive children in a restaurant and autism only became an issue as the thread went south. I think that the parents of children with any significant issues are heroes and have said that, but the mob is too busy braying to listen.
It would have been easy to delete my post, but that would have been dishonourable as I still feel strongly that parents of disruptive children in public places (shop, supermarket, cafe or wherever) need to control their children or remove them until the drama is resolved. That is all. It's clearly an old-fashioned view not shared by most people today who say things like 'kids will be kids'. I was taught from being a toddler how to behave in public and so were my own children, but maybe nobody cares any more.
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Posted by Non-Believer on 23 February 2016 - 12:50 PM
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Posted by Lonan3 on 27 January 2014 - 04:43 PM
Bell's view of the future
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Posted by censorship on 22 November 2013 - 09:47 AM
Don't you just love all this uncontrolled immigration and quest for more and more people on the rock.
I love that our community has become more diverse, with our youngsters exposed to cultures that just a generation ago were foreign and strange to us. I love that we are able to have people working in the service sector who actually seem pleased to have the job, and are polite, pleasant and helpful. I love that we are able to fill jobs that people who by accident of birth are 'local' think they are too good for, or simply too lazy to do.
I love the idea that our new residents find the Isle of Man a nice place to live, with a good quality of life and a generally tolerant nature, and feed back to their home nations the 'good news' about our Island, achieving as much in terms of raising our profile as government does sitting at the feet of UK politicians.
I love that the gene pool is broadened.
It is unfortunate if one of our new residents becomes involved in criminal activities, but that doesn't make immigration a bad thing, and to suggest otherwise is offensive and stupid. The vast majority of people who come to live here are law abiding and hard working - the prison is full of Manx people, not Poles.
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Posted by Maduncleronnie on 09 June 2016 - 11:37 AM
I think I spotted MadUncleRonnie's daughter Sharon at the fair last night. She seemed to be enjoying herself....
Aye that was probably our Sharon. Silly bitch. Was she hanging off some swarthy fella with a big black moustache? It's them Turkish fellas all the time unfortunately. Dirty buggers! I saw one of them fellas on the dodgems last weekend when I was on the bus and I knew that would be it if our Sharon seen him. I don't know why she doesn't get with a proper Manx fella. A Manx fella is better than any of them dirty foreign fellas! Even a fella from Peel or Ramsey! Me and me missus have been looking after young Barry and Kylie again all week as she's ran off to the beer tent. She does it every year. Haven't seen her since Monday night. She'll probably be back on Saturday afternoon and me missus will have to take her to get that morning after pill again. Either that or a quick trip to Boots for an emergency tube of Anusol if it's one of them Turkish fellas again. It beggars belief what them fellas do. Dirty buggers! But I don't get involved. Well you can't tell your kids anything can you? She's 35 and she should know better. I don't think any of them fellas should be allowed here to be honest. I told young David Cretney years ago that all these gypo's were bad news. But he still let them come over for TT. I bet me rates are paying for them too! Young Kylie's dad was one of them fairground gypo's. Big black fella he was. Never seen that fella since either! That was TT 2006. I still have the T-shirt!
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Posted by newsnight on 08 January 2016 - 01:22 AM
Albert Gubay is dead, he is not resting, he is certifiably stone dead, and as media lawyer Duncan Lamont of solicitors Charles Russell once commented "You can't protect reputations in perpetuity because it would harm the prospects of analysing history," moreover, as the saying goes “you can’t libel the dead and you can’t stop history”.
Because of Mr Gubay and his business activities, specifically with the development at Mount Murray we have something near to a complete history and understanding of how Allan Bell, politicians and Ministers’ in the Government of the Isle of Man have operated an “ends justify the means” administration over a long period of time.
For that, we maybe should give Mr Gubay funeral thanks, although to do that probably is akin to being damned with very faint praise indeed?
Mr Gubay is alleged to have said that, “Stupid people make me lose my temper, and most people are stupid”. From some accounts from people who worked closely with him, and who knew him well he was a man who prone to frequently losing his temper. He was indisputably used to getting his own way, he was a man who liked to be in control, he was a man who also liked to be controlling. He once remarked that the only opinion he cared about was his own.
Mr Gubay once held the IOM Government in deep, if not utter contempt. The reasons for his having held such a deep contempt for the Manx Government was exposed in all the somewhat leaning to the dishonest, certainly arguably dishonourable, quite possibly unscrupulous, or tending to the unprincipled, amoral, untrustworthy, underhand, deceitful, double-dealing, disreputable, discreditable, shameful, and even scandalous shenanigans when the Commission of Inquiry into Mount Murray published its findings.
Although as he aged into his final years (and some say having in the process acquired a striking resemblance to an aged Bilbo Baggins) he did appear to soften in his attitude towards the Manx Government. He did say publically that he liked the Charities (Exemption) Regulations 2008 Act, really quite a lot.
When watching the recent internet televised interviews with Mr Gubay and Paul Mouton on the topic of the misfortunes of the Mount Murray Hotel, along with noticing the obsequious questioning of Mr Gubay who was sitting enthroned-like in his winged chair as he pontificated on the events that had brought the Mount Murray Hotel complex to its present condition I was struck by a thought.
Mr Gubay’s now very public pronouncements about the Mount Murray Hotel reminded me of a time when he was obdurate to the point of very costly litigation, refusing to admit to any involvement with that development; apart from being a builder with no knowledge at all of who had actually commissioned him to build it. How times had changed?
Mr Willers has said in open Court that Mr Gubay was often a liar. In fact it could even be argued that he was at times something of a bare-faced liar. We have politicians’ on the IOM who insist that lies are not lies when they protect “commercial confidentiality” and so some excuse Mr Gubay because they say he relied on ‘commercial confidentiality’ in his dealings with the Commission of Inquiry into Mount Murray. Although the people who do say that are usually the kinds who are very well paid to put a good frame on what is generally accepted to be a very bad picture.
The facts are established and in the public domain for all to read on the IOM Government’s own website. The Commission of Inquiry reported that Mr Gubay had broken no laws in his dealings with the Isle of Man Government Planning Department so far as the Mount Murray development was concerned, but his actions had consequences that did go a long way to breaking the political reputations of Allan Bell and others in the Government, irreparably, and they did reveal the truth of just how rotten and unfit the systems of Government actually are on the Isle of Man.
Watching the YouTube video of Mr Gubay receiving his Papal Knighthood was fascinating as the Manx establishment was sitting po-faced as the ceremony unfolded. Was that barely concealed hatred on the faces of some in that congregation?
If you are wondering how much a Papal Knighthood might cost you to have one? Then I suggest you look up Father Michael Seed who at one time lived rent free in a luxury apartment in London owned by Mr Gregory King. Mr King is known on the Isle of Man thanks to Heather Capital and you can find information on that easily enough at the IOM Courts website should you want to be bothered to look it up?
I’m quite sure that Mr Gubay would have had no need of the intervention of Father Michael Seed to obtain a Papal Knighthood. He may have or have not met him, I have no information to say ether way. I simply point out that getting a Papal Knighthood for a man of means was not difficult if that man had money and the right contacts. In fact at the time of Father Seed’s Papal Knighthood open-all-hours sale it was as easy to get one as buying a quality second-hand car.
Believe it or not, it’s not an absolute requirement to be a Catholic to become a Papal Knight either. Good deeds or even a good character are in certain circumstances entirely superfluous. For the Vatican on occasion sufficiency of cash was all that was required for the deal to be concluded. I could easily see a man who started out selling sugar-free sweets on his way to making hundreds of millions of pounds finding that sort of situation apposite. The Vatican and the Manx Government share a pragmatic conviction that ‘pecunia non olet’ and that it applies equally to most situations spiritual or temporal.
I place no weight on the rumour that Allan Bell has already contacted the Vatican on behalf of the Manx Government to start the process of canonization on the basis that what they have been getting away with is proof positive of at least one miracle. Or that in the alternative when viewed from a certain angle and in a dim light Mr Gubay did have more than a passing resemblance to Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu, AKA Mother Teresa.
Accessible at the IOM Courts website is the history of the dispute between Mr Gubay and Peter Alan Willers who was for over twenty years and more the right-hand man and number two in the collective of businesses under Mr Gubay’s control. If anybody knew Mr Gubay well, then it’s beyond argument that Mr Willers did.
They had fallen out and it became litigious. Not unexpectedly Mr Willers had some very unflattering things to say about Mr Gubay in his Court pleadings. Suggesting that at the very least that Mr Gubay was the very lowest sort of person to do business with, and citing examples to illustrate and support his assertions made from the perspective of a man usually standing at either side of one or the other of Mr Gubay’s elbows.
The legal dispute between Gubay V Willers, Willers V Gubay, Albert Gubay V Peter Alan Willers, Willers V Nugent and others, etc. is on the public record. They make very interesting reading, I recommend them to you and make no comment as to the veracity or otherwise of the description of Mr Gubay’s character and business dealings as made by Mr Willers in open Court.
Mr Gubay was a habitual litigant. He had a habitual disposition to sue. When considering the information from the cases that have been published, the comment Peter Willers made in the Gubay V Drower case comes to mind.
“Mr Gubay's lawyer, Peter Willers, denied to the Guardian (newspaper) it was unfair for Mr Gubay to seek to have Mr Drower imprisoned for contempt by the island judge, Michael Kerruish, known as the First Deemster. "What is unfair is to use the internet to hide behind false names and false addresses and disseminate false information".
No such considerations appear to have been a restraining influence upon Mr Gubay when his statements made to the Commission of Inquiry into Mount Murray along with its final reports are read? Mr Gubay seems to have been at perfect ease disseminating false information when it suited his purposes if it is accepted that the Commission got it right?
There are those who think that the dissemination of false information is not only required but essential to the running of a Government.
When Allan Bell encountered Gary Spence he met a very experienced expert in the art of dissemination of false information. Mr Spence was so good that although he’s from Bradford, Yorkshire, he convinced the Manx politicians he met with that he was an American property developer. He wore a pastel blue suit and matching slip-on shoes as proof of it. Mr Spence claims in his book that it was he who thought up the idea of getting the tax grants on all of the Gubay companies out of the Manx Government, but it was Allan Bell together with Donald Gelling who delivered them.
If you want to know exactly what role Gary Spence played in the Mount Murray affair then I recommend Mr Spence’s self-published auto-biography entitled “Making Hen’s Meat: A Memoir” (Abebooks.com).The Commission was unable to locate Mr Spence at the time of the Inquiry, nor did it have the benefit of his book either when they considered the part he had played in the Mount Murray planning applications, or in the tax grants made by the IOM Treasury to the Gubay companies but I’m sure that they would have been fascinated by his revelations.
Without doubt Mr Gubay drove the proverbial “coach and horses” through the Isle of Man’s systems of Government to get what he wanted with the development at Mount Murray. Some find that admirable, some find that to be even laudable. Some think the ends justified the means certainly Allan Bell is on the public record saying as much, and he has supporters for that conviction in Tynwald in that regards too.
In a sense the ruins of the Mount Murray Hotel buildings that are left standing after the fire stand as a symbol of the ruin to the administration of good government that particular development has exposed to the Manx taxpayers.
Manx taxpayers having contributed at least ten million pounds in tourist tax breaks to the Gubay group of companies (and quite possibly a very great deal more than that too if the information was ever to be released to the public), and are to this day living with the consequences of an undemocratic system of government not fit for purpose. They have the Mount Murray Hotel’s present state of dereliction as a symbol to remind them of it.
Now the Gubay multi-millions fortune is to be divided up between the Catholic Church and to other registered charities as recommended to the Trustees of the Gubay Charitable Fund administering it, again, by the Catholic Church.
William Shakespeare wrote that “The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones” so far as the bequest to the Catholic Church and its recommended charities goes only time will tell the truth of that. As for the life of Albert Gubay most people would have enough evidence to make a judgement of it right now.
The interview I think many would like to see would be Paul Moulton with Peter Willers giving answers to questions such as. ‘Why did Mr Gubay really sue Roly Drower, what was the truth of it?’ ‘Did anyone in the Manx Government have any involvement in the decision to sue Mr Drower?’ Who in the Manx Government, or connected to it was in communication with Mr Gubay during the time litigation was taking place involving Roly Drower?’
Maybe that is too much to hope for? Might it be a possibility that Peter Willers could be considering following the example of his former associate Gary Spence and become an author, writing in detail about his personal experiences of Mr Gubay? Time will tell, but I think I can confidently say that should such a book ever be published it would be certain of a strong demand for it on Isle of Man.
Without doubt there are those in the IOM Government for whom Albert Gubay’s funeral when it takes place will have all the solemnity and poignancy, something much like the funeral of Aragog had, and yet for others Anne Bancroft’s final line in John Ford’s “Seven Women” will have said everything worth saying about the life and deeds of Albert Gubay.
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Posted by Uhtred on 13 April 2015 - 10:11 AM
When are they erecting their statue of Tony Brown?
Well, how perceptive of you; apparently there will be a statue erected of both our present and former Chief Minister, opposite each other at the perimeter of the square. These will be know as the Brown End and the Bell End.
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Posted by Gladys on 16 March 2013 - 02:56 AM
So proud of my girl, she was so calm and together, and new baby is as bright as a button, but really laid back.
Top marks to the Jane, they did all they could to make it a safe, comfortable and enjoyable event.
Gran is now knackered and enjoying a glass of wine before falling into bed.
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Posted by Zammo Maguire on 22 December 2015 - 08:54 AM
Well he won't need to worry about paying the car parking charges he voted against now will he
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Posted by Tugger on 30 July 2016 - 08:57 AM
Take a look at the members of the House of Keys that the Isle of Man voters elected. A long, hard look. Drink in the presence of Malarkey, Quayle, Quirk and Cregeen.
Then take a look at the Legislative Council that the Isle of Man populace has allowed to endure. See the smug, vacant faces of Geoff Corkish, Juan Turner and Bill "don't be greedy about your pension" Henderson, or the glazed eyes of Tony Wild.
Chew that over for a couple of minutes, and tell me why Phil Gawne should not assume that the people of the Isle of Man are a group of fucking idiots. He's making these statements because that is precisely what he thinks. He has no reason to believe otherwise.
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