Isle Of Man Wiki Site

[Snaefell050]

I've been having a skeet around the website in the last couple of days and I think it is excellent, and has great potential. Great work Mark, a big well done to you.

[Shill]

Just a quick heads up that Mark and I will be on Manx Radio today at 12:15 discussing Manx Wiki with Stu Peters on Talking Heads if you fancy tuning in.

[ai_Droid]

Yep, its a great effort, nice one.

[Sebrof]

The entry for Peel says "Peel is the island's only city". Is that correct - how come Peel has city status?

 

Peel is a town, which is why it has the Peel Town Commissioners.

 

In the UK, cathedrals were traditionally only found in cities, but that is a matter for the Church; it is not law.

 

Frankly, I find this "Peel is a city" business rather irritating.

 

S

[ai_Droid]

Frankly, I find this "Peel is a city" business rather irritating.

 

S

 

Then edit the wiki, that's the point

 

Having said that, wikipedias page on peel seems to be sorted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel,_Isle_of_Man

[Skeddan]

The entry for Peel says "Peel is the island's only city". Is that correct - how come Peel has city status?

Peel is a town, which is why it has the Peel Town Commissioners.

Perhaps by this rationale London is also only a town, which is why it has the London town criers.

 

In the UK, cathedrals were traditionally only found in cities, but that is a matter for the Church; it is not law.

 

Frankly, I find this "Peel is a city" business rather irritating.

I thought city status was originally given by royal charter or letters patent, and not a matter for the church - and that in the UK there is now some law covering this. i.e. it is a matter determined by law (though I've no idea what practical difference it makes). I guess that Tynwald could pass a law upgrading a town in IoM to become a city.

 

Is Douglas a city? If not, perhaps it should be rather than be the 'capital town' of IoM. (at least Douglas has a market place, otherwise it would be the 'capital village').

[Bananaman]

I thought city status was originally given by royal charter or letters patent, and not a matter for the church -

 

 

Where I live the nearest big town to me is Chelmsford, a couple of years ago they kicked up a fuss about losing out on getting City status. Can't remember who they lost out to though - I think it was somewhere in Norfolk, maybe Vinnie can tell us.

 

Chelmsford has a very big cathedral.

 

Edit;

 

Google is my friend

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_i..._United_Kingdom

[Ean]

Has anybody had a chance to play with the google archive news site yet? Tis available here http://news.google.com/archivesearch and just typing in Isle of Man came up with some fascinating stuff.

 

Found this one which is something I don't think I've ever read about. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...amp;oref=slogin

 

I also found this which was interesting http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...9669D946897D6CF

[Lonan3]

Has anybody had a chance to play with the google archive news site yet? Tis available here http://news.google.com/archivesearch and just typing in Isle of Man came up with some fascinating stuff.

 

Found this one which is something I don't think I've ever read about. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...amp;oref=slogin

 

I also found this which was interesting http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...9669D946897D6CF

And this one, from 1891 http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...96E9C94609ED7CF is absolutely superb!

[Skeddan]

Found this one which is something I don't think I've ever read about. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/...amp;oref=slogin

You don't hear a lot about the concentration camps for civilians in IoM.

 

In WW2 these were also used for "political detainees including those held under section 18B of the Defence (General) Regulations. This enabled the Government to imprison those citizens thought to be dangerous to national security without charge, trial or set term."

 

This included not only 'enemy aliens', but also British subjects, so constitutionally this measure was on very thin ice. Since IoM is not part of the UK, these detainees were not under the jurisdiction of English courts but subject to royal prerogative - so IoM served as a kind of a constitutional black hole, a bit like Guantanamo Bay.

 

Jewish internees at an internment camp on the Isle of Man in 1917. There were two camps on the island - one at Knockaloe which held 23,000 internees at full capacity - and the other at Douglas.

 

 

March 2005, MI5 released declassified File ref KV 4/245 which had been subject to a 50 year closure:

 

In 1948, the Home Office began laying emergency plans for the internment of Communists in Britain in the event of war or an emergency ... There were initial plans for six camps, one for each War Office command, plus two interrogation centres. ... the Home Office assumed responsibility for the main camp, which was to be on the Isle of Man. ... As late as February 1954, when the file closes, Sir Frank Newsam is quoted as saying that in his view "it was very important that we should get the arrangements for these camps in such a form that they can be put into operation at a few days' notice."

There has been no declassification of any more recent plans to make use of IoM for Guantanamo Bay style detentions.

[Owen]

Just a heads up that the BCS is organising a talk this Wednesday at the Claremont about ManxWiki. Here's the blurb:

 

A wiki is a page or collection of Web pages designed to enable anyone who accesses it to contribute or modify content, using a simplified markup language. Wikis are often used to create collaborative websites and to power community websites. Our next event will present ManxWiki as a local initiative using this technology to provide a comprehensive and current information source about the Isle of Man. Here’s what the Wiki says about itself:

 

Wikis are information websites that allow any person to register as a user for the purpose of adding to the pages directly with their knowledge and experience on the specified subject. In the case of ManxWiki the subject is simply “The Isle of Man”, any aspect of local life that is deemed to be of value or interest for the benefit of others.

 

The beauty of ManxWiki is that if you find a page that is missing data that you already know about, YOU can easily add to the page for the benefit of others.

 

Come and meet the team behind ManxWiki, learn more about how wikis work and find out if you can help build up this new and exciting resource.

 

Venue: Claremont Hotel on Wednesday 12th November 2008: Doors open at 18:00

 

Speakers: Gary Shilling & Mark Atherton

 

Sandwiches, coffee etc will be provided. Come and bring your friends. Event is free

[Shill]

The BCS presentation was warmly received. The first half was me presenting what defines a wiki and why a manx wiki. The 2nd half was Mark doing a small workshop on how to create a wiki page.

 

Since the presentation we have re-designed the front page of the site to make it more appealing for first time users to hopefully give them confidence to contribute.

 

If you havent already visited the website please do so at http://www.manxwiki.com there is a ton of info on there already but we NEED more.

[Hels]

 

"You don't hear a lot about the concentration camps for civilians in IoM. In WW2 these were also used for "political detainees including those held under section 18B of the Defence (General) Regulations. This enabled the Government to imprison those citizens thought to be dangerous to national security without charge, trial or set term. This included not only 'enemy aliens', but also British subjects, so constitutionally this measure was on very thin ice. Since IoM is not part of the UK, these detainees were not under the jurisdiction of English courts but subject to royal prerogative - so IoM served as a kind of a constitutional black hole, a bit like Guantanamo Bay". March 2005, MI5 released declassified File ref KV 4/245 which had been subject to a 50 year closure.

 

Skeddan, this raises two totally separate issues. Firstly if the Isle of Man was not part of the UK in 1940, whoever devised the emergency legislation must have cast around for a suitable, almost secret location. An island not under the scrutiny of British courts must have sounded perfect. Was there any right of appeal for internees? If so, to whom was the appeal directed?

 

Secondly this sounds suspiciously like Australia's Pacific Solution to boat people. They are CURRENTLY being taken off dismal boats, towed into Pacific Islands you have never heard of and locked behind barbed wire. They are then processed. You could hardly find a larger nation than Australia, so it is secrecy not size that counts.

 

Thanks for the link

Hels

Art and Architecture, mainly

[Mission]

I was following an old thread recently and it got me thinking about this so I thought I would check it out and found the URL no longer works.

 

What happened to the project, did it just quietly fade away or has it been moved to a different site?

[Shill]

It just wasnt getting used which is a shame because it could of been pretty useful.