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Do you mean like Mr Lakeman from the IOM, who lost two sons from taking 'ecstacy' tablets and now has campaigned as far as the house of commons for these drugs to be legalised so it's safer for young people (who will ALWAYS experiment) to take them. I tend to listen to the views of people with first hand experience of these issues such as Mr Lakeman rather than silly out of touch racist twats....

Do you read the Daily Mail?

its made everyone poorer since 2004...... #fact

Would you accept that it wouldn't be wrong to say it was somewhat ambiguous? I suspect many read it as 350 million for the NHS and don't doubt that was the intention.

Couple of years ago, the then manager from my local related to me a story from a brewery pub managers meeting. The meeting had been convened to discuss falling customer numbers. Brewery boss. "What can we do to arrest falling punter numbers?" Response from the managers as one. "Drop the prices". Two weeks later there was a price rise.

The most simple scientific experiment that shows the earth is spinning is a Foucault's Pendulum. As in many examples in this thread the behaviour of such a pendulum is well understood and entirely explained by a spherical earth. There are other observations you can make to show the earth is spinning. One subtle one is how the aberration of light is affected by the Earth's rotation. Do you know anything about Hydrogen Alpha lines in the spectrum of light from a star, Paul? The position of these lines is affected by the movement of the earth - it is something astronomers have known about since the 1600s. The closer your observatory is to the equator the more the stars wobble (and their spectra shift) ever so slightly depending on whether your seeing them approach you from the east or away from you in the west. The change with latitude can't be explained by either a stationary earth or a flat one. A stationary earth with a moving star would show the same aberration where ever it was observed, while a spinning flat earth would show a totally different pattern in the variation to the aberration as you changed your latitude. As ever you can pretend these observations don't exist, or it is all a lie, but these are the sorts of observations anyone who was really dedicated to replicating could do for a couple of thousand pounds and a few years of practice. Many a reader of this thread has probably put that much effort into a guitar.

The union will just, once more, talk their way into more staff reductions. The so called leaders won't suffer, but the posties will. All these jobs in Gov need looking at and re-evaluating. The union's involvement will not help their members one bit.

I have highlighted the relevant bits for you manxman

Everyone?

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know" *courtesy of Jonathan Swift 1738

I would have said that 40 years membership of the European union has brought great prosperity to the UK, improved standards in general, made the UK more out looking in general as well. I am trying to think of the disasters brought on us by membership and so far failed.

Labour are ripping themselves to bits and the tories are thinking thank god for that, they're as much a mess as us.

Very true. Indeed the absence of the full stop emphasises if anything that there is no committment to use that wasted cash that has to be borrowed because of deficit budgets to further fund the NHS. The important thing is that we get out of the profoundly undemocratic EU as quickly and as completely as can be done. The unwanted and unmanaged membership of the EU has brought nothing but disaster after disaster to the UK as a nation. To add quite literally insult to injury it now turns out that we had the massive adverse exposure resulting from membership deliberately withheld from us. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Brexit-EU-secret-document-truth-British-public

Hmm, I can't see any full stop here and the lack of a capital L suggests it wasn't a new sentence. Terrible grammar though.

On an island as small as we are, the arguments for and against uncontrolled immigration are slightly different to places with much higher populations. I see the motion above was carried with a vote to throw the doors open. The problem with any debate like this, is the moment you air any negatives you may perceive, you are immediately labelled as a rabid right wing racist, hence many administrations across the western world have been unable to debate the matter to a conclusion. For me for the Isle of Man it is a simple numbers game, I have no problem with an increasing population (to a point) but we must not lose sight of why for us this may be necessary, and simply throwing the doors open without some sort of control has the potential to merely worsen our situation. Public services here are going down the toilet we must not add to their problems and sensible governance is what is required. ( I won't hold my breath !)

Or a dyslexic chicken?

I have two thoughts on this, entirely personal as ever and no doubt unpopular with the chattering liberal classes: 1. Charity begins at home. Not one penny should be sent off-island while people here suffer any hardship that government could reasonably be expected to ameliorate. This clearly does not apply to the workshy or feckless. 2. Islam is inconsistent with the Western way of life and should only not be encouraged in the name of multi-culturalism, it should be actively resisted. Mass migration won't affect me, but I fear that my children and grandchildren will grow up in a fundamentalist caliphate that will engulf then destroy from within thousands of years of evolution and culture.

Remind me, what are the delivery hours for DHL and UPS. How many times do they try. And, Hermes? They may throw stuff at your door at all odd times/days, but if they leave a card can you contact anyone to rearrange delivery.

I agree with Albert. It’s only complete fuckwits who are attracted to owning these sort of dogs. Put them and the owners down - it’s the only way.

Hmmm....I think the half-witted people that allowed this dog to play with young toddlers while this case was still active and the verdict wasn't decided need locking up. What resonsible parent would do that? Dog terrorism. What if the decision had gone the other way? People dive into icy ponds after dogs - and die - and also seem willing to sacrifice toddlers these days. That's messed up.

WHITE POWER!!

A postman told me a couple of years ago they had one floor manager on in the mail department per shift, now there were three and handling less post. Does anyone know why the post office has to make a million pound payment to a government department every year, this year they were let off with half a million, if it was not for this payment everything would be ok. Too many managers, the usual story but they are not the ones that will be culled. If a business is failing surely it is not being run properly and therefore the those at the helm should take the first bullet, it is basically up to them to make it pay. The mail may be going down but they must get payment for all the crap I get delivered by them. And, if everyone is shopping online surely the parcel post must be benefiting? Someone mentioned Hermes, there are so many complaints about them on Facebook it is a wonder they survive. People also complain about the PO not leaving parcels, if you have a safe place such as garage or porch you can get a form from the PO and give them permission to leave it there, putting the onus on yourself of course. It is mismanagement that is the problem.

Accepted. That wasn’t the point I was making however. Just pointing out how good, and reasonable the postal service is. I’d rather that stuff was sent by post, for the better service and reliability, even at a small cost premium.

how careless, have they found them yet?

Tell that to the increasing number of parents who have lost their kids as a result of the kids taking them.

You've got that wrong ecobob, 45% involved an arrest, only 9% resulted in actual charges.

Not as first choice. It's too left wing! I'm more a Jerusalem Post guy.

Let's not turn this into another brexit thread. So just leave the nonsense quoted above to wither on the vine and move on.....

Start with our forced open borders. Then throw in our loss of sovereignty. Our loss of rights to our fisheries, EU quota constraints that saw our orchards destroyed our fishing fleet literally burnt on the shores, the list just goes on and on.

even the #snowflakes are starting to notice......

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt compares EU to 'prison' of Soviet https://www.manxradio.com/news/uk-news/foreign-secretary-jeremy-hunt-compares-eu-to-prison-of-soviet-union/

It’s never harmed Skelly.

And hold them upside down to shake the loose change out of their pockets.

Are you bitter...…………...pardon the pun ? The rumours I've heard are more about the "service", not the beer. You made your money and had the nice cars that came with the job, but you are not involved now. Why start dissing the company who were very good to you ?

That's a bit shit if you're a girl

Exactly! Is that a naturally occurring phenomena? Huh ... are you trying to claim because it is a man made experiment it isn't naturally occurring ... seriously? The change in the twist in the wire is perfectly understandable natural phenomena - as is the gravitational attraction causing it. What the heck is your point?

Just a thought China, but have you given any thought to just ignoring him?

I nominate Numbskull and Dense. It is rather frustrating - this is an experiment first conducted 220 years ago with Cavendish setting a benchmark for precision which wasn't improved upon for about 100 years. It is an experiment which has been refined and worked on and repeated literally thousands of times - it is now often set as a student laboratory with a refined apparatus designed for student use. Goodness knows why flat earthers have a bee in their bonnets about it. N is the period of oscillation of the torsion wire and D is the density of the earth. I personally think it is quite wonderful that you can generate a reasonably simple equation connecting these two issues together, but PGW clearly doesn't like it. Shrugs.

Dont blame me for the emoji limitations bob! Post something sensible then, like scientific experiments which prove the earth is spinning!

I doubt if the crash will take place next year or even by 2020 but by then the decline in public services and the standard of living will be undeniable. Sadly I believe that it will take the undeniable for those presently in denial or comfortably insulated to shock the people of the island to realise that it's game as they knew it is over and that a range of presently unacceptable options to become acceptable as an alternative to just keeping calm and carrying on. Population growth in itself is very far from being a solution because unless every immigrant results in an increase in exports greater than the cost they add to the import bill they will just add to the problem.

GDP is only turnover...it does not reflect how much money is available to the average guy in the street or available for public services. Most of our GDP goes through the island but never stays here.

Anytime.

My animals needed a trip to the vets recently so of we went to the doggie vets and lo and behold the vet who treated my dog was a very pretty senorita from Spain,on our next trip the vet was a youngish Romanian guy,these people are the kind of quality immigrants we need not fucking carwashers and Mcdoogals fast food servers, our animals have recovered so it will be interesting to see if they stay put or decide island life is not for them,I found them both of them pleasant and they both spoke better English than some knobs from Shanghai.

What most people really want is increased prosperity and a better quality of life, which is linked to a higher GDP and better public services (and assuming the Island remains beautiful). If those points broadly represent the goal, there are different ways to achieve that. Many people believe growing the population is one such way. If the Island was a business, the shareholders would want increased profits and higher dividends. Yes, they may require more staff, but more staff is not the goal.

It is a stinking enigma...

UK - stick with the forward and back. IOM - Start a public consultation, employ consultants, decide the best way is to spread the hour difference to the UK in staged steps - in 6 minute intervals with the option to begin Manx Time - or "Time Enough" - in 2022, with the option to go Metric in 2050 to make the most of Brexit. Economic development fund will be used to establish a company to make Manx clocks, with the option to produce Metric clocks in 2075.

400k of green jobs- i'm guessing he's going to put the students with worthless degrees to work in the fields when he turn the uk into venezuela.......

Looks like Sheriff Todd Baxter has a sense of humour:

Anyone got the number for the MyHermes in Onchan/Peel etc? (Typical Facebook post, Isle of Man) I've never really had a problem with IoM post. This latest matter seems to be the fat cat management etc. grabbing the cash and getting on the Government ratchet racket of more pay/pension/pay-off.