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  1. I do find it all a bit uncomfortable when people are going round every link on Facebook encouraging people to complain about it. If the people who listened thought it was worth complaining about then absolutely crack on but this whipping people up into a frenzy to make an issue of something before they have independently made their own mind up is a bit wrong.
    14 points
  2. He repeatedly interrupted and laughed at them. He wasn’t interested in the point of view or getting them talking about their experiences. To the extent that the first caller rung off frustrated. He didn’t do that when Quirkio said there’s no such thing as white privilege because his skin burns in the sun. Or when another caller drew conclusions about all black people “or coloureds” as he called them one kid had been shy around him but friendly with somebody he knew and thought that was racism “against whitey”. I think it’s because Stu has a limited world view and can see the point of view of blokey blokes of certain age and although he probably genuinely believes racism and sexism is wrong but can’t empathise with the people it affects. So he equates it with being fat or ginger. That’s like saying to someone in hospital with Covid “flu can be terrible too”. That’s not good broadcasting, and whatever the subject, I don’t want to hear that. Maybe he can trained by his bosses to reach an acceptable standard but he’s been unlistenable for a long time now.
    10 points
  3. I once worked with Stu Peters and found him to be well read and traveled, with a very wide range of views. He was always kind and thoughtful when dealing with a very wide spectrum of customers. Stu was not privileged and was kicked out to find work and stand on his own two feet at an early age. He was brought up with black friends and later colleagues and is no stranger to different races. Stu has a dark sense of fun and a dry sense of humour and is no stranger to sarcasm. One thing Stu is not , is racist. Too many “ know fuck all’s” throwing their two pence worth in without having a clue. I doubt many at all on here , never mind Facebook have even met the guy. So sad that life is this fickle and so many people are so shallow. What is it with people being offended without truly knowing why they may be ? Stu Peters has strong beliefs and stands up for them and to be counted. The whole point of his show is to stimulate debate. That word is alien to most Facebook warriors. I feel very sorry that Stu has been picked on by a few, ( who probably know each other) and is not able to counter the stupid and childish comments, not just on Facebook , but on here too. ( you know who you are )
    9 points
  4. They’re just woke folk. Let’s keep surfing the media and social media looking for the next thing we can get outraged about - even when they have no apparent or actual real life experience of the thing that apparently outrages them so much!
    9 points
  5. It seems it was Stu's contribution to the thread on here which prompted the callers to come on to his programme 'Late, Live and Unleashed'. I thought he behaved respectably whilst teasing out some good points from the callers? Isn't that the purpose of phone in programmes? I can't see racism in any of his comments, just asking the questions which a lot of people would ask at this time! I almost think that this was a set up by a group of friends who have set out to try and trap him. He didn't say anything at all racist, other than to question whether is existed to any great degree on the island, is that something which he should lose his job for?
    9 points
  6. Another supposed shitstorm here on Fraggle Rock. Manx Solutions for Manx Problems - bound to entail a screw up, and cost a fortune. I really hope that Stu Peters gets a fair hearing, and is not subjected to the Manx Lynch Mob mentality, with a hatred of successful and financially independent people, than a concern with justice.
    9 points
  7. Just listened to the whole exchange. Stu certainly said some clumsy things - the bit about not being more privileged for example - but I don’t think he was racist, nor was he disrespectful to the callers. He was polite, and he was interrupted as much as he interrupted. Trouble with racism accusations, particularly for those made against people working in the public sector (NHS, local authorities etc - public broadcaster too I suppose) is that they’re investigated with a “guilty until proven guilty” approach (not my line - I think I got it from a book about NHS whistleblowing) - Stu may not get out of this, and unlike Clarkson I doubt Amazon will be calling.
    8 points
  8. The clip is still on the site. Seems typical Stu and some SJWs got their knickers in a twist. Remember it's fashionable to be outraged.
    8 points
  9. I didn't get the feeling he was trying to discred BLM, just what the purpose of a demo here was. It certainly seemed like an ambush, three confrontational callers in quick succession which were intent, not on a debate, but on discrediting the presenter. None of the three actually engaged, just tirades. The presenter tried to discuss back and was talked over. It was just dreadful.
    7 points
  10. Well I've just listened to most of the broadcast, the disrespectful tones came from the callers rather than Stu Peters, they were trying to goad him at every turn. The black chap, 'Jordan McGuire' sounded very Manx, considering that he has only lived here since 2016 I thought? This seems like an organised rant by three people who want to stir things up racially. Sometimes these things have a way of backfiring!
    7 points
  11. I know. There will be far more people complaining about it than were listening to the broadcast at the time.
    7 points
  12. Better still convert to oil.
    6 points
  13. He accepted it though, and they got a platform to explain their thoughts. The free speech thing works two ways, if Stu didn't say what others were thinking, they wouldn't be able to come onto the radio and explain their position to those people! It's a late night radio phone in for that very purpose, isn't it?
    6 points
  14. Isle of Man News and Politics in absolute meltdown, although I suspect 99% of the contributors haven't even heard it. Nothing new there.
    6 points
  15. I just hope he gets a fair hearing in this world of people looking to be offended. I'm sure people call his show in the sure knowledge that Stu will not be Alex Brindley.
    6 points
  16. As explained by others in this topic, it's obvious he was set up by people who know each other. This was a planned attempt at getting a reaction, followed up by a fake shitstorm on social media. Because being woke and outraged is all the rage these days, everyone went right with it. Now self righteous wannabe SJWs are telling everyone to check their privilege and I feel like I walked into a South Park episode.
    5 points
  17. I've listened to it (and I'll never get those minutes back ) I'm sure he could have worded a few things better. Maybe next time he should get a focus group to ratify every single word and inflection? But he said nothing particularly wrong and bent over backwards to be polite and accommodating. He just didn't 100% agree. It's pathetic how intolerant our society has become that he'll be made to suffer. Agreeing 99% is not good enough for the woke generation. It's 100% or you'll pay the price. #ReinstateStuPeters
    5 points
  18. If what Stu said is gonna be perceived as racist, we need to stop allowing the Gov to fund trade missions to South Africa to bring people over. I know plenty of Saffies here and if you want racism.. get them drunk and let them rumble. Stu is always on the border with certain topics and I personally don't see anything overly offensive made.
    5 points
  19. What really disturbed me with the UK protests yesterday was that these so called 'activists' attacked police officers and shouted slogans at them, when UK cops kill extremely few people. Only 3 in 2019, one of which was a terrorist. That's not exactly how you get the public on your side. Sure, US cops are more fucked up, but also not as much as the press makes us believe. Also, a lot of the knife crime and murders in London involve minorities due to all sorts of reasons (organised crime, gangs, lack of social prospects, etc). So write to your MP and ask for political change but don't beat up the police who are already in an impossible position.
    5 points
  20. If you’ve heard the clip (it’s on FB now) it isn’t really that controversial. It seems like some sad teenager full of her own self righteousness and her silly student mates who have nothing to do currently have blown it up out of all proportion. It wasn’t a classic Stu Peters fauxpar of the inferior Jeremy Clarkson variety sadly. He even agreed with her at one point. This has all the classic signals of a #metoo “2” style social media trend about it. Everyone is jumping on board claiming they’ve been affected even if they’re very clearly white.
    5 points
  21. He’d be better of finding an answer to that question rather than playing the victim
    5 points
  22. Sorry HeliX, cheap shot. This whole thing is obviously a complex issue, it's not going to be solved with silly name calling, which is more or less what the 'gang' did to Stu Peters last night. That is not taking hold of the situation and convincing him or anyone else of anything, it's the silencing of debate. A technique which smacks a bit of Common Purpose, who seem to want to live in a socio/fascist utopia where we are 'encouraged' to have the same beliefs and opinions. Racism will die out eventually as the people who have perpetuated it die out. At present it is still about even in very young people, even though many white people marched with the civil rights protesters in the 50s and 60s. Quite a few paid with their lives for BLM but it has led to slow progress. I don't know the answers, any more than those who seem to have cost a man his job for talking. If people are not allowed to form their own opinions then we will end up in a worse situation as people start wondering what side of an argument to be on. It's easy in these days to be pushed into saying something which others may think is wrong, Tolerance and understanding has to work both ways, it's the only way.
    4 points
  23. I’ve downloaded the entire 3 hour .mp3 of the show. If I get time tomorrow I’ll cut all the music and adverts out so you can listen to it. Stu said nothing wrong and was basically attacked from the start by some precious flowers after they didn’t like the factual stats he posted on here yesterday. It escalated from there.
    4 points
  24. I've just listened to the playback of the programme. Absolutely nothing wrong with anything that Stu said or didn't say. He was courteous, gracious and professional. He spoke for me and I'm pretty sure he spoke for thousands of other people on the IOM. You hear what you want to hear. The two callers, Jordan and Lucy, had determinist points of view and you either agreed with them or were wrong. Binary thinking allows of no shade or nuance. Where is their outrage at the police actions in Hong Kong ? Where was the demonstration against the Russian poisonings in Salisbury ? The poor copper dragged behind a car to his death by young thugs ? The young soldier butchered in London by two Muslims ? Not even a squeak... I'm disgusted that Manx Radio took him off tonight's show. If he loses his job over this it won't go down well and even more people will be reaching for the off switch.
    4 points
  25. I've listened to it. I don't think he's racist, but I think he's naive and arrogant and ultimately part of the problem. The dismissal of the idea that black people have it any more difficult than anyone else is just cringeworthy. He was quite patronising to callers who were trying to explain this to him, and to say that the English are the most discriminated against on the island was just an awful take. I would hope that the current discussion would lead to some people taking a step back and listening to what black people are saying, rather than telling them they're wrong and they should stop moaning.
    4 points
  26. No, it would be easier to take the reading yourself and phone it in to Manx Gas.
    4 points
  27. "woke" "virtue signalling" "snowflake" Terms made up by the right-wing in an effort to silence any discussion about, you know, actually being better people.
    4 points
  28. Plenty of white people are underprivileged. Wasn't he saying just that? I don't think he was making the case for entire populations. Nobody would argue that the white elite are not privileged. I'm pretty sure that he himself came from very humble beginnings.
    4 points
  29. Whenever a spat like this surfaces (and I find that the same is true of things like high-profile defamation cases) I almost invariably find that both sides have behaved like dicks and I reject each equally. And so it is in this case. Declan has identified the ill-considered nature of SPs remarks and his partial, misogynistic, clumsy and disrespectful approach to those callers. This young woman's self-righteous, posturing, equally discriminatory (yes, it's always those awful older men who are racists isn't it) and frankly juvenile narrative simply detracts from a vital subject. As I say, they have both made themselves look like prize idiots and I repudiate the approach taken by each of them.
    4 points
  30. Absolutely agree. We won’t even be allowed to call them “snowflakes” soon,
    4 points
  31. Yes, "unfortunately" Stu doesn't understand ANY viewpoint that doesn't directly affect him, and yet portrays his own opinion on it as authority anyway.
    4 points
  32. No, Im not afraid. China is a fucking disgrace on a huge amount of levels. The point is that the people who continually use phrases like that are doing so because they're overwhelmingly astonishingly thick. Is the absolute failure of huge parts of the western world to handle the pandemic the fault of China?
    4 points
  33. The gospel according to Sid.
    4 points
  34. What point are you trying to make with those statistics? That decades of being intentionally disadvantaged by a systemically racist country has made black people on average poorer and more likely to turn to crime than white people? Well, uh, no shit?
    4 points
  35. John Dog and his Manx lisp is another one. 'Iff itsth thscrap yer lookin' foah....' Apologies for the phonetic Manx. Top bloke John, but that Manx hill-billy dialect draws too much attention to itself. Gawne is another one who puts it on thick. Edited to add: Pro patria hokum...
    4 points
  36. I hope to fuck no one from outside the Island is listening to it. We don’t want the whole world believing it’s representative of us.
    4 points
  37. Saying "all lives matter" as a response to hearing "black lives matter" is the sure sign of someone being an idiot. Possibly a bigoted idiot, possibly a stupid idiot, possibly some combination of both. But definitely an idiot. See also people who use the terms "remoaners" and "snowflakes". It's genuinely depressing how people can not understand the fundamental difference between black on black deaths, white on black deaths and the situation where you have the actual Police killing black people (at a completely disproportionate level to how many white people they kill). It's also depressing how people seem to think that "black live matter" somehow means that other lives don't matter. It literally doesn't. I don't think I've ever seen so many misleading, disingenuous and downright pathetically shit arguments as I have in response to what's happened over the past week or so.
    4 points
  38. Can't disagree with your former sentiments but how much of a kick up the Ass do you, me or anyone need to address the latter? It is becoming a realisation that a 3 week media sensation is not the way to address the underlying problem, the surname, colour perception, ( can they speak English ? ), still allowable in Manx Law I believe! I'd be more enclined to hire someone of Eastern European origin than a Manx Girl with multiple piercings on (or in?), her face! Does that make me bigoted? Probably! Racist? No. Do we really have racial prejudice at the forefront of our minds when we hire someone? When I hire someone for a mundane role, I'm happy take on a person with 'Learning Difficulties' because they are more likely to stick at the job for a longer period and it gives them a chance of employment, than someone who is trying to comply with JSA requirements! Does that make me bigoted? Yes, because I an judging them by my perceptions of what their value to me will be but No, because I am not judging them by the colour of their skin, their ethnicity or where they come from as a deciding factor? No, it is because I, as an employer, decide what will be best for me, irrespective of the colour, racial backgriund of the applicant. Yes. Is that prejudice?
    3 points
  39. You can track the basic university groups they’re all linked to on Facebook and Twitter and follow other posts many have made about the protest thats planned for next week. Even Mr Bada$$ has made his account on Twitter private now as it’s totally bloody obvious. They don’t leave a very difficult trail to follow. I’m sure they all think they’re being clever but it was clearly a woke turkey shoot and Peters fell for it hook line and sinker. If you were looking for easy pickings to back your “outrage” campaign you’d have used Peters’ show too. Howard Stern he ain’t. It’s more Alan Partridge than anything else and easy to get what you want with a bit of pushing and some Twitter clusters behind you.
    3 points
  40. ARRRRRFFFFFFFFFF - Struggling to uncurl my toes
    3 points
  41. If you do not understand the meaning behind the Black Lives Matter movement then you are either thick; deliberately obtuse or racist. Probably a mix of all three. The movement is not stating that black lives matter more than any other lives but that they matter just as much and can the Police please stop killing us? Years ago I would probably have been one of the “all lives matter” wankers; yes; if you’ve stated that you are a wanker! But one of my oldest friends married a woman of colour; the stories he tells me of the prejudice that his wife and children have to deal with every single day is terrifying. I would have scoffed at the concept of white privilege but I now understand that simply walking down the high street of the city I was born in without receiving side ways looks; without people crossing the street and without receiving verbal and physical abuse is a privilege many Black British people never get to enjoy. I know the situation this side of the Atlantic is nothing like as bad as in the US but it is still bad and many people want to show their support for a global movement that came into existence to tackle a global problem. There are only so many times that peaceful protest can be ignored before people will turn to more radical and destructive methods to make their point. I am a middle-aged, heterosexual white man and I support #blacklivesmatter because I understand the fear in which so many of our fellow humans live on a daily basis. Part of the solution or part of the problem; there is no middle ground on this one.
    3 points
  42. Many years ago when that hotel school was running in Port Erin and I was young (oh what days!) I did a stint working in McDonalds, which at the time was majority staffed by the students. They were mostly from India, Bhutan, Nepal and were all absolutely lovely. One of them gave me a yak hair hat. The amount of racism on display in there was unbelievable, from the customers to the staff, i had no idea such a thing went on here. As soon as I turned 18 I worked in the Manxie, and then I understood a bit more. Loads of it. Anyone racist is a cunt, and so are apologists for racists.
    3 points
  43. Stu's point (I believe) was: if you're having a BLM protest on the Isle of Man, what is your demand? If you can't pose that question without being branded a racist and being suspended from your job then tolerance is dead. What will the demands be? Anyone know?
    3 points
  44. Shame. Hope he is back soon.
    3 points
  45. He said "I have no more privilege as a white man than you do as a black man". Which is patently false. Nobody is claiming there aren't underprivileged white folk. But the point is, that if any living white person had been born black instead, they would have had more barriers thrown up in their path during life, experienced more racism and prejudice, and generally had a shittier time.
    3 points
  46. Agreed. Trump is spot on with trade tariffs. China are like a fucking plague flooding the world with low quality shite. It's a shame so much manufacturing has gone because of it.
    3 points
  47. No, he isn’t. Also tonights playlist has been excellent.
    3 points
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