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  1. What? Since when has this rule been in place?
    7 points
  2. You have to work hard, and really engage with your doctor and specialist to move things forward. I might have been lucky, but in the three ops I’ve had at Nobles things have been great, although the lead up to the first one took many years and I learned from that. Ive recently had to have an urgent MRI which has fortunately come back clear, but the waiting list was six weeks. There is private capacity out of hours for private work, and things will improve shortly with the second machine coming on line. What really needs looking at is us spending money on vanity bridges rather than diverting that money into health to start to reduce waiting times. Fund the front line and they will deliver. As a society we really do now need to decide what is important.
    6 points
  3. Back in 1994, my mother died because the consultant didn't get to see her early in her bowel cancer journey. She had been complaining since 1998 of symptoms but in my opinion, Noble's Hospital killed her through negligence! She had nursed my father through his throat cancer in 1985/6 until he died, you guessed it, he had to wait while the consultant found the time to have a look, by which time it was too late. In both cases the response after diagnosis was great, but I'm sure they would have been alive maybe even now, had they had an early intervention! Things haven't changed, and now they have found an excuse in Covid! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/almost-2500-patients-waiting-more-than-a-year-for-appointments/ My doctor had to chase three times before they would take my referral seriously just recently, even then I had to chase and chase. I was told that they had a large waiting list, surely a change in working practices would help them get through it? Or do they think that if they bury their heads in the sand, the waiting list will die away naturally?
    4 points
  4. This is woolley’s final contribution on Manxforums which will come as a blessed relief to some, no doubt, and so, ladies and gentlemen, I crave your indulgence one last time. Considering that I’ve written so much here, I can’t even recall what it was that moved me sufficiently to sign up to MF in the first place. It’s all lost in the mists of time, but it was clearly the start of something that endured and became a part of my routine. All things, both nice and nasty, eventually come to an end. When I’d idly pondered in the past how I might conclude my MF tenure other than by falling off my perch, I long fancied that I’d simply stop posting and say nothing. I’ve noticed that the problem with this approach is that people then start speculating: “He’s got a lifetime ban.” (Still short odds on this one, I guess!) “I heard he’s had a stroke and is sitting in a home for the bewildered, even more gaga than before.” “Fred in the office says he knew him from the line dancing society. He’s dead.” Well, I don’t want any of that malarkey. At the same time, 26,837 posts while under severe provocation, yet maintaining a sunny disposition throughout is quite a haul. It’s exceeded only by Albert Tatlock, and he’s 112 years old and terminally grumpy as a result of the stress. That must be around a million words I put into this place. I charge a lot for that amount of content normally! After so much and so long, a valedictory post to mark the end is surely apposite, if only to put a nice hemline on the bottom and stop the raw material above from fraying, but what to include; how to sum up? The pithy one or two paragraph flounce has been employed in the past by those departing under a cloud after a run in with The Man, but I’m sure it must leave a flaccid feeling after the initial euphoria of hitting the submit button. Likewise, the fevered-browed, foul-mouthed invective filled rejoinder, damning to hell and back everyone who ever wronged you on the boards, in fact or in your imagination. Not really my style to eff and blind my way off the premises either. It gains you nothing. Instead, it occurred that it would feel more cathartic to reflect a little on my personal MF experience and share it with the group. In that vein, I took time to recall some of the great (and not so great) posters I’ve enjoyed reading or pitting my wits against over so many years. I hope it will jog the memories of others’ favourites to highlight in this entertaining thread too. My own short odyssey through MFspacetime then, begins with those who made me stop and think, like you, VinnieK, with your perennially sound reasoning. If anything good came out of the lockdown, at least it brought your return to these pages for our delectation. Or those who expanded my knowledge, epitomised by Chinahand, particularly on your personal experiences in China, and the stuff on space and the universe; always a source of fascination to me, and proof that there is something new to learn and marvel at each day, if only we will trouble ourselves to seek it out. I will still follow you, Chinahand, and I strongly recommend your posts to anyone who passes them by. Shame we never had Einstein here for he really was the man, but I suppose we did have a worthy understudy in Rog. Just as treasured are the ones that made me laugh out loud, like maduncleronnie with his hilarious laments. I cried laughing reading the heartrending tales of “our Sharon” and her serial sphincter expanding obsession with “the filthy Turks”, not to mention all of those “jousters – not real Manx fellers”. What a shame that ronnie is not still among us in these troubled times to make us smile. Woody was good at blending humour with his serious posts, but it wasn’t always picked up by the snowflakes who couldn’t tell the difference. Back up to date, I give you Stinky; I do appreciate your razor sharp wit and twisted sense of the ridiculous, Stinky. If the world were ending, I am sure your sideways take on it would have us guffawing even as we spiralled into oblivion. You would obviously spend your final hours here on MF. Wouldn’t you? Less inspiring, but just as memorable, have been the latter-day freak shows of the apparently barely sane that we gaped at, like Hillshepherd and Boredom. Notice the disturbing train of thought there, Stinky? Do be careful. The Encyclopaedia Roger Mexico - you give good value, invariably worth a read, full of information, lots of sound research all eloquently presented, and always right [1]. Speaking of “right”, the forum possesses none more so than our decent all round good egg, dear Quilpy; my friend and dependable staunch ally on here. We have supported each other for years and tried to rein each other in by PM whenever one of us has been in danger of climbing too far out of the trench and going over the top! So long, comrade, and keep dodging the bullets. Thinking warmly of Quilp also reminds me of the other extreme. Richard Britten was one that I crossed swords with more than most. A man so liberal, he made Lord Longford look authoritarian. As we find with liberals everywhere, he was only liberal provided you agreed with him, otherwise he could turn rather nasty and disagreeably vulgar…. I personally wouldn’t have banished him for good though. Why are we so short of females nowadays? Even long time mainstays like Bees don’t seem to be around so much anymore, and it’s such a great shame. I think I once, many years ago, mixed you up, Bees, with the lady who lost her knickers that fateful night on Marine Drive, and you were most aghast. Who was the commando lady? Was her name Kathy, perhaps? Still flying the ladies flag almost solo, thank goodness, is the redoubtable Gladys. I recently accused you of being an accountant and opined that the whole lot of them are bat shit crazy. You put me right in your trademark no-nonsense fashion, but we still had a laugh about it, which is what it should be about when all is said and done. I had hopes too for Potty Lisa who could be feisty, but she seems to have sunk without trace, if indeed Potty Lisa was actually female. Guess you never know nowadays, even if it wears a frock. Then there is always Manxy, who I find very, very nice indeed, and so polite, but oh, Manxy; those conspiracy theories! And still, Befuddled haunts me. A vision of her cast away tragically on some forlorn windswept rock in the North Atlantic occasionally invades my consciousness. Did she ever come home like Lassie? What has happened to Roxanne? She seems to have had a drastic makeover, but MF definitely needs more of the fairer sex around. You really can’t beat women, as I always say to the violent offenders’ rehabilitation group. My appreciation abounds too for our purveyors of interesting and helpful background information, particularly Wrighty who has come to the fore with his epidemiological work during the pandemic. Good show, Sir. You have the ability and bearing to convey the information and, just as importantly, the thinking behind it, quantitatively and qualitatively, so much better than the meagre politicians who are actually paid to do the job. You inspire confidence. And Derek, for years our resident MF Plod. I remember being gobsmacked on discovering that you posted info on here as part of the job, and not merely out of a sense of civic duty in your own time. It simply never occurred to me that posting on a forum could remotely be considered police work, or any kind of work, for that matter. Astonishing how novel concepts can shock you when you have lived for a long time. Now, just a few years later, we have “influencers” earning millions from social media. Vacuous world it is that can be influenced so readily. See you in Keys? I used to have some interesting and enjoyable exchanges with Mission about government, business and the economy etc. in the early days. What a wise poster he was. All now lost – nothing from him for 2 years, and precious little for a lot longer than that. Speaking of lost and wise, there are several lamented, although none so much as Lonan3. Up high in my MF hall of fame, because nobody is more missed here. MF was so much the poorer with his passing. Other thoughtful, debate stimulating commentators of note were Bladerunner and Lysenchuk. Remember them? Definitely more controversially, Notwell was also a good poster, widely baited because he rose to it too easily, wrongly maligned and then too easily banished in my opinion, which I know will not be unanimous. And what has become of my old sparring partner MonkeyBoy? He was adamant that we should tell the FS to FO and rely on the ingenuity of the Manx people alone. Idealistic, certainly; crackers, perhaps, but he believed it sincerely and expounded it vehemently. Like a latter day DeValera for Mann, he was. I never did find out from him what we were supposed to eat in his brave old world though. Somebody might have said he actually left his beloved Island which would be a supreme irony. I hope not. I often found Tarne had a different take on life too. I quite enjoyed reading him, but he seemed to offend a lot of people……… Even Lxxx seems to have gone awol. I like Dilligaf. Yes, actually, I believe you do look like you give one despite the name, and I’m convinced your heart is in the right place. Nine bans now is it? I can’t begin to understand how that happens. And DocFixit, Uhtred, Piebaps, Declan, Slinky – all are good value for a few minutes of my time any day. Or Pongo. You seem unique on here with your eternal, almost wearying optimism for the modern world, while apparently blind to its overpopulation and other immense problems. I sincerely hope you are right. Similarly, I don’t often agree with Helix, but you make your points well and argue persuasively and with civility, which counts for a lot in any company. One thing I could never normally be doing with was posters who don’t live on the Island. I mean, why would you post from afar with no connection to the place? But I do like to hear from old Ramsey spaniel worrier, GD4ELI, particularly on how spiffing things are in Switzerland or Cornwall, although again, regrettably, once a mainstay but not so much nowadays. Those are just a few who spring to mind that have regularly brightened my working days or the odd late night after the pub and will live long in the memory. There are many more I have appreciated. All of you, in fact; because the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts, and that has been the pull of the changing MF crowd that kept me looking in and belting the keyboard for so long. I reserved my last tribute, ironically, for The Corporal, as Quilpy acerbically and very appropriately nicknamed you. My long-time dogged adversary and stalker, none other than PK. True, we had a complicated interaction on here. I christened you my stalker because whenever I posted, day or night, you would be there immediately it seemed, with the pugnacious retort. A bit like Mrs. Doyle standing in the dark, tea tray in hand at the dead of night, on the off chance that Father Ted should happen into the parlour with a thirst in the small hours. Often you would go OTT with some inane Grauniad nonsense or other, and I would feel compelled to counter – and so it went on…, and on…. Despite what some may think, we both know that there really was never any real malice in it. Life’s too short and, in spite of myself, I do have a sneaking admiration for your sometimes self-effacing humour, which is definitely one of your stronger attributes. As in going to Ronaldsway got up all hazmat, looking like an astronaut, having paid EZY to reserve specific seats, only to find both the airport and the plane completely empty, but then being big enough to give a full report to us wolves waiting back here, so we could lap it up and wet ourselves laughing. Priceless stuff, and much kudos for that. You would, I hope, concur that, metaphorically speaking, rather than a pair of thugs kicking shit out of each other outside some nightclub where we might jeopardise the onlookers, we were more reminiscent of a couple of ageing pantomime dames with handbags drawn. Even The Teapot (yet another worthy poster despite the LFC affliction) thought that we were funny. And now in retrospect, in the denouement, what harm did we ever cause to anyone with our small skirmishes in the grand scheme of things? Not a lot that I can discern, aside from possibly a little mutual blood pressure escalation between ourselves. It wasn’t as though we were scribbling a moustache on the Mona Lisa considering the pedigree of the Theresa May thread and some of its past, shall we say “eccentric” contributors, was it? So crack on obsessing about “totally amoral, narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar, Bozo and his Bungling Brexiteers” and “the UK alternative reality rabid right wing press, which is to say pretty much all of it”, though perhaps you might be advised to tone it down a bit. It might also go unanswered and unchallenged at times in future, but don’t run away with the idea that this means you are right! I shan’t lose sleep, but, seriously, I will look in from time to time to check for your return from “M(ythical)-Town” (LoL) very soon, safe and well. I shall continue to watch my favourite posters now and then, and I will join the legions who evidently enjoy lurking here but never engage. I wish continued success to MF, all contributors and everyone connected with its operation. Finally, let’s all give thanks for our huge good fortune, particularly right now, in being able to call this beautiful, safe Island our home. For all our niggles and complaints about the government and the travel on and off, the price of corned beef, whatever else or petty squabbles among ourselves, where else would we want to be right now, other than within this talented community, safe and sound here in wonderful Ellan Vannin? Well, that’s all folks; the end of my sojourn down MF memory lane, and also the height of it from the shaggy sheep. No more longwinded bollox from him. He’s off to relax now by leaping in a nice big trough of dip - so very little change at all really. Good health, Good fortune and Goodbye to you all from "the woolster". It’s been really, er,….. Real! [1] Well, usually. Except when you’re not. The complete version of woolley’s avatar picture including his more bashful partner’s MF debut. It was taken on a spectacular visit to the Isle of Harris in the depths of winter. • Manxforums is for the exchange of views, information and opinions in a friendly non-judgemental atmosphere.
    4 points
  5. There are, I think, few people that have as strong an opposition to the Covid repression as me. It doesn’t take a great libertarian to be concerned about political repression around the Covid-19 crisis and I see animosity on the matter as understandable and unavoidable; when the government comes up with imbecile policies such as the “one form of exercise per day for the purpose of protecting the NHS”. And in how many other civilised jurisdictions there have been so many jail sentences for Covid-related offences? At the least in Guernsey they let you off with a fine. Testing on a larger scale is perhaps a way to alleviate the travel restrictions, as the Jersey case shows. I don’t think it can achieve that for the UK, and even less for continental Europe or the US, but on a much smaller island, it can return a payoff. Barking at Ms Glover is going to achieve little; if the IOM government had asked for testing on a much larger scale, it was just a matter of procuring the necessary equipment and she would have known how to deliver that. Furthermore, as a government contractor, she has little choice other than toeing the government line. The buck stops with the IOM government. But, I say this to John Wright: CoMin has done a good job at stifling debate on their Covid-19 policies; and IOM media are pretty much the definition of sycophancy. For those who find the restrictions unbearable, there must be an outlet somewhere. Or shall we organise a terrorist group? At the least in Germany there have been well organised protests assisted by high-profile interventions. I never had any social media presence or interest; I started this thread as an outlet for my anger at what the government was doing; when I heard David Ashford on one of those Manx Radio briefings complaining about social media, then I knew what to do, he gave me the idea, basically he invited it. Precisely, he was complaining and blaming about an absurd story, the NSC being used as a temporary mortuary facility for Covid fatalities in the isle, a proposition so utterly absurd that should not have been given any currency, if he wasn’t so pathetic. He was the one lecturing us on the Covid narrative from the WHO’s web page, as if researching a more independent source, any form of independent thinking actually, was too much effort for him. British people have really been covid-pussies. And there will be a very high price to pay, on the economic side of things. The left is sitting pretty comfortably with that perspective because it thinks that it will bring much heavier taxation to bear on the rich as unavoidably as night follows day (and that whole idea is one of the reasons we have had the lockdown in the first place). Sure, the middle class will pay, which entails slimmer paychecks for many government employees; sorry! It is becoming apparent that the pandemic is accelerating trends, especially on the technological side, that were already firmly in place; there is no evidence that it is acting as an equaliser. In this technological, globalised world, higher taxes on the middle/upper class would only reduce the Gini coefficient if they were to be set at extreme levels; suppressing growth far too much. The left doesn’t seem to understand it. Many lefties don’t really know how the system works. Or they live in fantasy world in which people, they think, can be changed. Unsure what the crisis will bring to the Isle of Man in the longer term. The isle is positioning itself in respect to the UK, and with the UK the bar of governance is going to be set so low that on a relative basis local businesses may even take advantage, if the IOM government allows it. It depends on whether or not the consensus based policies of the island allow to have prosperity as a priority. The economy of the Crown dependencies really took off in the seventies when the UK was going down the drain; in those dark ages of financial repression.
    4 points
  6. Yes, a sardonic and perhaps somewhat poignant reference to a caring parent checking their newly arrived darling baby is all complete and safely in their cot. The parallel being drunken drugged up violent nasty little arseholes in the police cells. There should be a live webcam to the police station on a Saturday and Sunday morning. See how fan dazzy dobey the little shits are then after the coke and coke has worn off and they have a thumping hangover.
    4 points
  7. It's different days. These little fuckers are getting jacked up on all sorts of shit before hitting the pubs.
    4 points
  8. So you'll have no objection to the current industrial action which consists of exactly that? Indeed you'd be happy to see it made permanent.
    3 points
  9. Some people are happy drunks. Some fall asleep. Some throw up. A few get aggressive and violent. Once you find out you’re in the last category, hopefully without getting arrested, stop drinking.
    3 points
  10. Another! The man is press conference mad. Just put out a press release with whatever the new rules are. But no, it's got to be a game show where Quayle mumbles something cryptic. Then the assembled ladies, gentlemen and mongeese of the press play twenty questions to guess what the policy. Meanwhile a greek chorus of Manx Voices make Uninformed Comments in the live stream comments predicting that everybody will die. Then sometime on Friday the IOM Constabulary tweet out a completely different interpretation of the policy alongside the news that they've rounded up half the Island for breaking the new laws against looking feckless in a public place.
    3 points
  11. A common enough phrase, and fairly innocuous in my opinion, akin to 'nuthouse', or talking about 'men in white coats'. Are these phrases now considered offensive, even in a colloquial setting?
    3 points
  12. Has nobody explained to the plod that it is quicker to just count the bodies instead of the fingers and bloody toes...
    3 points
  13. In short then. The Police were disappointed that 23 arseholes had to be locked up because they could not be responsible for themselves. Why can’t people get pissed and have fun, without causing trouble or being violent ?
    3 points
  14. Shouldn't you be prepping for actually going back to work after how many months of paid idleness?
    2 points
  15. A little known fact about the Isle of Man is that it has more monsters per square mile than anywhere else in the world. People tend to not talk about it that much, but you're almost guaranteed to come across a monster or two on any typical day, especially if you spend any time in the countryside. In addition, every Friday a dog inflates until it explodes. This is purely random - it could be any dog - but it is only one dog per week. Nobody knows why this happens. So if you have a dog think carefully before bringing it.
    2 points
  16. I’ll put it another way. The virus is not even close to being as deadly as was first suggested. In fact I would go as far as saying we are witnessing the most unnecessary over reaction in the history of mankind. I truly believe that.
    2 points
  17. Quite honestly? I simply believe the measures are now completely unnecessary. The restrictions that have been placed upon us are not commensurate with the risk of the virus entering our shores in a controlled manner. It is my belief that basic human freedoms are being taken away in lieu of fear being perpetuated by radicals & doom mongers on social media.
    2 points
  18. So Mr Fucking Mogadon post up the contractual hours and pay rates followed by the "evidence" for all the rest of the activities you posted up. Me personally I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with teachers only working their contractual hours as long as it's all on the school premises where the hours can be properly logged. Good luck with that one...
    2 points
  19. This. For an offender to be offered/given a caution, he/she must first admit the offence. However, it’s well known that Police administer cautions without this process occurring, for example to keep ‘offenders’ who might be of public interest, or those whom might be embarrassing to the Police themselves, out of the public eye.
    2 points
  20. I would fully endorse teachers logging their hours. As would all the teachers I know. Here you are with the "cushty" bollocks again. If it was cushty, and such a secure, easy, enviable job, there wouldn't be a shortage. Facebook was full of concerned parents after teachers started working to rule. Because clubs stopped, meetings stopped, parents evenings stopped. Lots of parents were left with problems picking kids up in what would normally have been clubs running from 4-5. Which is a lifesaver for lots of parents. No revision clubs were run. And many other activities. All the evidence is right there that teachers work more than their contracted hours. But it doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it. And then you have the gall to suggest other people are "failing" to produce good argument. Fucking berk.
    2 points
  21. The shortage must be because it's such a cushy well paid job, as you keep telling us. And no, that's not the only reason. The pay is pisspoor for the number of hours worked. The pay is pisspoor for the level of responsibility. The pay is pisspoor in context of how much it costs a teacher to become a teacher.
    2 points
  22. In theory, yes. To be honest, cautions were not particularly well administered here for a long while, especially on motoring matters. The system is much improved these days.
    2 points
  23. Minutes redacted. We couldn’t possibly need to know who is behind these draconian measures. After all, this is a democracy.
    2 points
  24. 2 points
  25. You do realise you can have a massive piss up without getting arrested?
    2 points
  26. People are obviously more important than money, but money is required to look after those people, so it is a case of balance. In the early days where we were entering the unknown the pendulum quite rightly swung to caution and ‘people’, however, for reasons I cannot quite fathom, although political cowardice and mission creep spring to mind, the pendulum is not really swinging back. Politicians need to take a good long look at themselves, and then be bold and do what is right for the island, not what will get them re-elected. Lots of test and tracing, resources into NHS and shielding to cater for those that really need it, whilst allowing everyone to get on with it without masks, SD and the other bureaucratic nonsense that is beloved of government.
    2 points
  27. Did DOI have a script? Indeed, have they ever had one? Too much seems to be done off the cuff. Months ago some subsidence and potholes in Johnny Watterson's lane in the "new" section up past The Cat were marked out with paint for repair. It's been waiting so long now that the paint has worn off.
    2 points
  28. Or to go private. Both are ridiculous situations. Further funding for our public health service is necessary.
    1 point
  29. I'm very surprised that when confronted with the facts you asked for you've pretended they didn't exist. That's certainly not happened every single time!
    1 point
  30. Well it does look cheap at first glance. Guernsey has now tested 11,000 people we’ve tested about 2,500. Jersey has tested about 86,000 people. What’s paranoid about that? Looks like locking people up and threatening them with jail is a real cheapo way of dealing with everything. As long as we have money for shiny new buses we can screw the cost of comprehensive Covid testing I assume?
    1 point
  31. No - that's Ashley Bentley https://www.manxradio.com/on-air/ashley-bentley/ This is Ashlea Tracey https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01yznx2
    1 point
  32. Personally I think it's great that they are having a go at trying things, but it most certainly is not as rosy as some would like to make out
    1 point
  33. Hearsay. Where is your evidence? I know nothing of the sort.
    1 point
  34. Bye @woolley total shame. Direct consequence of our esteemed moderator just handing out bans for nothing. I don't know what he expects to achieve, but I'm pretty sure this isn't it. Oh, and never forget, LIVERPOOL WON THE LEAGUE!!!!!
    1 point
  35. Indeed, in practice, some have been given a caution and not admitted an offence. Works well when you have lazy arsed police who can't be bothered doing the basics.
    1 point
  36. That's rich from the posting mogadon. The days of unions holding govs to ransom should be over. Frankly using the education of children as a bargaining chip is particularly low and distasteful. It's especially galling in these dark times when so many are and will be facing hardship for a bunch of prima donnas in VERY secure employment to try and selfishly screw a few more quid from the already hard-pressed taxpayer....
    1 point
  37. "Lying drunk on pavement costs 61-year-old man dear" Did he trip over the intoxicated fibber? You'd think by the time he reached that age he'd know that lying drunks are best avoided. http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57569&headline=Lying drunk on pavement costs 61-year-old man dear&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020&cat=Crime
    1 point
  38. I found this part of their statement a bit strange: "Without proper investment in the island’s teachers and leaders, the world class education we all crave for our pupils cannot become a reality." Strange in that if they're given more remuneration it will still be the same teachers trying to teach the same classes. So why bother...?
    1 point
  39. The 4 week plan in the website is now 6 weeks old. Doesn't really inspire confidence does it.
    1 point
  40. There's clearly a problem and somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.
    1 point
  41. Some would argue that people are more important than money, that the 'unbearable' restrictions were tolerated by the vast majority, and that there is a fine line between being a libertarian and being selfish. The idea that people are not able to change is commonly held by blinkered individuals: Javert had this attitude in the novel Les Miserebles, and when he realised his error he jumped into the Seine: other rivers are available.
    1 point
  42. He banned me for 24hrs as well for using the l-b word. I am still dumbfounded by that.
    1 point
  43. As flounces go, not the best we've seen on here...
    1 point
  44. What second wave expected, is that from the latest conspiracy news?
    1 point
  45. That’s your opinion but she seems to have a strong leaning towards self-publicity and scoffing at anything that falls outside of what is clearly the agreed government party line. When that happens I’m afraid it usually suggests that they don't want anyone digging at the substance as it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and they know it. The Jersey approach seems to be the right one. It’s open, it’s transparent, it’s producing loads of data that can be assessed and analyzed to establish the real risks of an open island and it’s allowing the economy to function better by facilitating business and tourist travel whilst at the same time managing transmission risks. In contrast our policy seems to be to ask people to lock themselves up for 14 days, don’t monitor them anyway, don’t test them unless they themselves ask for a test (!) but then claim that somehow miraculously just closing the borders is responsible for no Covid which also accentuates people’s sense of isolation from the rest of the world and fear of ‘newcomers’. It makes little sense to me. As Thommo2010 says there’s bound to be people who have brought it back and had it. But if we actively don’t test them unless they’re actually ill and ask for a test we’ll never know. As it stands people aren’t observing self isolation we know that for a fact from the arrests and all the nosy neighbour reports on social media. But then I suppose looking at the data why should they self isolate? The official statistics show that nobody self isolating has had Covid as we haven't tested any of them unless they asked to be tested so does that mean that officially the risk of breaking quarantine is next to zero as nobody has tested positive anyway? So that then leaves the question of what is the real transmission risk in the IOM? Nobody knows. The system is only as tight as our self isolation checking process which seems to be pretty slack given only 1/3 of people got a visit or a phone call up until a few weeks ago.
    1 point
  46. There is no breeding. Many just the result of alcohol induced wayward sperm insemination.
    1 point
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