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Dr Glover has provided a qualified, alternative view. She has effectively been a qualified Opposition who has questioned the Government line. IoMG doesn't "do" opposition, from Tynwald down. It's not accustomed to it, doesn't like it and its immediate reaction is/was fairly standard in trying to ignore it in the first instance and then when it didn't go away, attempt to discredit it (look at the DBC/Tribunal verdict reaction for general attitude, for example) It's a microcosm example of the way Govt operates and it's been brought out into the light now which is something else that Go

The clear conclusion from this analogy is that Black cars matter.

Is it fair to conclude that the taxpayer has been massively misled with this, and there has been no subsequent accountability in respect of the mounting costs of this project. Running costs are going to be considerable too, but nobody seems remotely bothered about this.

Thought I'd bring this thread to the fore, rightly or wrongly. Some interesting posts, reading it back. Whether it's significant or not, there is no Q&A with Moulton and Ashford as there usually is on a Sunday. Perhaps they've all gone to church to pray... HQ: "Dear Lord..?" The Lord (for it is He): “Yes, Howard?" HQ: "Fastyr Mie my Lord. I am faced with an arduous task for which I am at a loss, going forward." The Lord: "Is it the troublesome scientist?“ HQ: "Yes, my Lord, she will not be silenced!" The Lord: "I will set thee a task, take unto thee this

You're not testing nothing, you're testing people like SP and family, schoolkids. We also don't know if after the NYE cluster there were asymptomatic people who spread to other asymptomatic people, because they only were testing against symptoms. There is also the possibility that the indicative symptom list is not current.

I don't think this lockdown is unnecessary - the way that hospital admissions climbed to 23 (a fortnight after lockdown came in) should tell us that. But it was almost certainly mostly avoidable.

IOM government have similar issues when it comes to procurement.

Spot on here Roger... Have you now changed your tune Grumps..? Truth. And again. And nothing's changed I'd wager... Well said, Del... And as RG stated in her answer to the Speaker's question when he asked that despite all the bollocks and mud-slinging that has gone on (I paraphrase), would she come back at the drop of a hat and with little hesitation the answer was an emphatic YES.

considering how many people out of the active cases and isolation folks we had a few weeks back that ended up in hospital, and the even fewer that ended up in ICU it is very easy to think that over 50% of people had no idea they had it and maybe 40% that had minor symptoms would think they just had the flu or a cold as they weren't rushed into hospital. if the virus is/was as easy to catch as we are led to believe then all the 100's in isolation would also have likely had the virus too from their contact with virus carriers, i think lots of people have had the virus without knowing, it w

He'll have come to bust juliet out of the clink. You can tell its him because the prison is in jurby and he turned up at douglas. He'll be halfway over the mountain by now

No one is claiming that New Zealand's success is only due to genomic sequencing. But the point has been made to you repeatedly that it is part of a set of interacting things that can be used in response to Covid, especially alongside track and trace, and New Zealand has done this very effectively. I've posted numerous links over the last six months or so to their very informative, speedy and detailed media releases that their government puts out and how often these mention the use of genomic testing. Incidentally the population density of Greater Auckland is 310 people per sq kilometre

This article appears to demonstrate everything I wanted for the Isle of Man’s COVID response with genomics. The New Zealand response appear to vindicate my position on this. Except we’d have been doing it A YEAR AGO. How New Zealand's Covid success made it a laboratory for the world Small outbreaks and universal genomic sequencing provides unique insights into how coronavirus spreads

Hi everyone. Nothing to add, just wanted to be on page 2000.

I ain't finished yet Glad...

The wash is definitely on 90 degrees now Gladys... And so it started. Not a good sign at all Roger. A very unprofessional approach... Great post. Lol...

Rob Callister and his Visit Isle of Man team have already calculated the visitor survey figures for this boat. If it can carries 100 people, that is £100,000.00 visitor spend on island. 200 people to add to tourism figures because they bound to come on to the island twice.

Largely because I'm not a pensioner with nothing better to do for 3 hours stinky lad. It's ok for you sat in your y fronts and Jim Royale style polo shirt with pencils up your nose etc but some of us are grafting away

We still haven't any idea (we, being the public) how many of the 20 odd in hospital were there because they had COVID, and how many just happened to test positive on admission for something else. My gut feeling is that quite a lot were people who didn't know they had it but tested positive on admission, and that that was a consequence of it actually being pretty widespread in the community. All largely irrelevant now so many are vaccinated. The situation is improving and the risk of any further outbreak is decreasing everyday. What happened three weeks ago, six weeks ago, at Christ

In a first for the IOM Government, a project has arrived ahead of schedule. Ladies & Gentlemen, on behalf of the Steam Racket, proudly introducing the new Manxman.

Bizarre after she & Ashie basically said they don’t work !! But as Channel Islands are using them we will probably follow suit like we normally do !! Expect we’ll copy their exit strategies soon and pretend we came up with it😂

No no we will definitely have to have a Manx one, more expensive more grandiose complete with skirting boards and best of all it won't work properly!

50 for Joe 3 for the terminal.

Well Del, unfortunately most of us Manx taxpayers will greet this debaclé with barely a tut and shrug because by now we're inured to the lack of accountability and oversight. We've become conditioned to it and easily fall for government sales-talk that what they're pursuing is in our best interests.

Sorry.

The following article in today's Guardian newspaper describes how scientists in New Zealand are doing precisely what Dr Glover tried to do here. In New Zealand, and globally, the NZ scientists are being praised as world leaders for their work on Covid genomic testing and case-linking. This article totally vindicates Dr Glover and her work. Inconceivably, to-date, the IOMG have been actively dismissing Dr Glover's work as not useful. How is this arrogance and ignorance possible? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2021/apr/04/how-new-zealands-covid-success-made-it-a-laboratory-fo

I thought this was an odd thing for a serving MHK to say (quoted from his Blog): Rob Callister MHK - https://www.facebook.com/Onchan.MHK/posts/2889084611333979 Some of the evidence given by Dr. Glover was damning and I haven't heard a public evidence session like that before, especially with the DHSC being accused of copying software and coding etc. If nothing else Dr.Glover is one very brave lady to give that level of evidence, and in public. Why? Why is it 'brave' to give evidence in public? You mean she should be scared? What of?

Its OK Paul is wearing a crucifix under his shirt

Stop being a fucking idiot.

You haven't terence. You haven't listened to the pac thing. I know this for a fact

10 years ago today you could have bought 1000 Bitcoin for appx $1000. Today that would be worth appx $60,000,000. No worker drones impacted. You could have bought that boat and still had a bit left over.

The footy. Don’t forget how the great Manx people, proudly independent,who have lived here since the Vikings suddenly develop some immediate Liverpudlian or Mancunian ancestry each season

No new cases today, 150 active and now 1 in hospital. Hope it is 0 next Sunday!

his bird might still be debt collecting ??

Smaller than ours because they lock on one or two cases. Then they can trace and genome and link to their hearts content. How it works isn’t within my expertise. That it works as I’ve described is incontrovertible.

Must have been on what he made on the last trip...

Lets hope so, with Putin in charge we would have a better democracy.

urrrrrrgggghhhhh

Well it's a fact that the lockdown wouldn't have been avoided with, what you term, more in depth genomic data.

You forgot the IOM

I think they have said the Liverpool genomic testing is free. But as I understand it, it does not give the analysis that Dr Glover has offered; it gives the raw data but not the interpretation allowing for confirmation of lines of transmission etc. But we don't need that apparently. If, when the SP case emerged, there had been widespread testing and genomic sequencing, the path of the virus could have been shown and a more nuanced approach taken to lockdown. We would have known sooner if there was more than one index case and so lines of transmission. We also should have known th

I’m not saying that NZs low death rate was significantly due to genomic testing. Far from it. The main reason they have a low Covid infection, and consequently a very low death rate is because they have a competent government who have taken a number of different appropriate measures to keep Covid under control. Just like the Isle of Man, New Zealand is an Island Nation which quickly closed its borders when Covid exploded. The idea that ‘they have a totally different lifestyle to Europeans’ is simply not true. Similarly, the idea that Auckland and Wellington have low population densities is not

They've already started, in their childish handling of the letter matter, including its "display" and alleged shredding.

Sorry,but your not using the data statistical analysis methods used by Tourism. Five people travelling in each car, Only if you use this given tourism isle of man formular would it be recognized by Government or it's assoicated workers.

No, it's Manx solutions to Manx problems here boy!

What is so bad about having a home grown genomics testing and analysing facility that turns around results in hours?

Wow, just wow! Really?

I think I really have to point out here that the instructions for the aggressive and inconsistent legal letters stating the DHSC position are coming from the Path Lab. Kathryn Magson and the AG's office didn't write them without significant input from the Path lab. If it isn't Steve Doyle providing those instructions in his capacity as head of the lab (and as a very senior DHSC/Manx Care manager) then that in itself would be a very interesting question for the PAC inquiry to ask. There isn't anyone else I can think of in the "chain of command" that would be providing the detailed versions

As far as I'm concerned I dont give a toss about ego's and the likes which clearly have played a part in all this . What concerns me is whats best for the population of the IOM . Would we have been better served with Dr Glover on board for the whole journey or not ? . From my little knowledge and having followed this throughout it seems a no brainer and we needed her expertise from day one and to this day. Ego's often have to take a back seat for the greater good but looks like CS and Government are to entrenched in there habits of a lifetime to step back. Quite sad really and also being that