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  1. The question our Government need to answer will be, given the U.K. is opening up to Europe May 17, the Channel Islands to the U.K. from April 26, our vaccination programmes are at similar stages, our infection rates will likely be zero, our hospital admissions likely at zero, our at risk groups all vaccinated, infection, hospital admissions & death rates all tumbling across the U.K. ..... what gives them the right, should I say where is the data to justify keeping us all locked away? ..... and more worryingly, who the hell is providing it? I mean, isn’t the advice given to the IOM the
    9 points
  2. I proposed this in March last as the pandemic took hold. Close the project and take the hit on the expenditure so far. It was never the right thing to do, and Covid was the perfect face saving excuse to write it off. But Manx Government hubris, the need for ‘projection of power’, usurped any sensible resolution. come September, I hope Manx voters ask members how they voted on this issue, and why?
    7 points
  3. Not going to comment on the last few pages but having just spent half an hour browsing social media, it would appear pressure is mounting to get the borders open. A couple of months ago the majority seemed fairly happy. That really doesn’t appear to be the case now with what only appears a small number not expecting an open border soon, or at the very least an indication of what they want to see before that happens. I really don’t see how they can justify restrictions on top of what the rest of The British Isles will have. Pressure is mounting and they need to sort it out.
    6 points
  4. Only to people trying to earn a living or see friends and family. Everything else seems to be back to normal based on the number of people out and about. People are past caring. Just open up and crack on. The schools needing a week extra is an absolute joke
    5 points
  5. If it is true, it is ridiculous. The last unknown new case was on 24/3, 18 days ago. The unexplained case on 29/3 I reckon was not telling the truth to track and trace as no other cases came up linked to it. Dr. E pretty much said she was happy that it was linked. Even if you include that case, Monday 19th is the required 21 days. By then, active cases and those in isolation will be minimal. Time to open everything up.
    5 points
  6. But it doesn't matter what the purpose is, she had the paperwork to make the first trip. When anyone on here calls for opening the borders, the response is you can leave any time, you just have to self isolate when you return. They did everything the right way, but she got treated badly on her return and was given duff info from 111, it would seem. So, to allow the pair of them to be in the same house, they did an overnight round trip so they could isolate together. Does that not strike you as bizarre? Its like the other couple, where the wife returned after treatment and the h
    5 points
  7. The clue is in your post. Vaccine coupled with restrictions. The issue is what restrictions. The IOM won’t move until it’s seen what happens in UK. As for schools the next couple of weeks will tell. UK kids haven’t been happily mixing for 4 weeks. Not yet, and not continuously. You and Banker need to stop bleating and attacking. I’ve not expressed my personal preference. I’m saying what I expect our lot to do, and why. You don’t actually ever address that.
    5 points
  8. I think you, and @Nom de plume need to look at, and contrast, the experiences of Israel and Chile. Chile has had robust and speedy vaccination delivery, but infection rates are increasing again, mainly because they’re relying solely on vaccination and no other restrictive measures, especially travel. Israel, with the highest vaccination levels still has strict controls, requires proof of vaccination or antibodies and has green travel corridors. It’s rate continues to fall. What happens in the UK once restrictions are lifted and social life resumes will be the key for us. There a
    5 points
  9. The worrying thing is that our government thinks that destroying evidence is acceptable, we should just accept their word without question. Letters to Ministers, now taped conversations. There are other previous cases of this kind of thing when it doesn't suit them for a contrary piece of evidence to mysteriously disappear!
    4 points
  10. A lot of what Ashie says is pointless and has been all along.
    4 points
  11. That's the point, the reason for travel doesn't have to be approved, but you must abide by the rules. However, we are now subject not only to regulations but other people's assessment of whether we are behaving as they would like even if within the rules. Enough now, it's bad enough that we have ill-conceived or ill-executed rules, don't add your own subjective view of the validity of what someone else does when it's entirely within the rules.
    4 points
  12. I travelled across to get a dog. I didn't want to, nor did I need to, but did so to ensure I stuck by the rules of isolation - I was quite prepared to isolate for 14 days with my partner after she went to pick up the pup on her own, but for that to be allowed I had to go as well. Absolutely no need for me to do so. The situation in the video with the couple travelling across a second time is more absurd. As for the 'selfish moron' aspect - when this was arranged we weren't locked down here. Plan was to go over, get doggo, isolate at home, and follow the 3 test regime. And before anyo
    4 points
  13. Listen John, I’m happy to accept any decision (within reason) or restriction they place upon us provided the science, data or advice that those directives are based upon are in the public realm. This nonsense (hiding behind CoMin confidentiality) has been going on for months now. We are now at the stage where the U.K. & CI are opening up. There better be some cast iron reasoning why we shouldn’t be following suit. That’s all my friends & business peers are asking. Is that so unreasonable?
    4 points
  14. Quite. What sort of selfish moron thinks that while the rest of the IOM is locked down, its OK to travel to buy a fucking dog. I agree with Gladys that the 111 admin appears to be lacking , but the fact that the public is paying for admin for this sort of shite is equally as shocking.
    4 points
  15. Exactly. You have to multiply the risk of dying from covid by the risk of getting covid. The latter depends on the overall prevalence, which in the UK right now is relatively low. This is why they introduced the guidance for youngsters to not have the AZ vaccine, but this guidance could change if overall circulating levels of virus were to rise again.
    4 points
  16. as that won't be till 2022 i'd fucking well hope so.
    4 points
  17. Perhaps they have been silenced by COMIN. Horses head? I’ll make you an offer you can’t refuse .......... Im surprised HRH The Chief Minister’ Rebuttal Unit hasn’t been swinging into action on this one.
    3 points
  18. Now we know why they stopped. Chinese takeaway
    3 points
  19. This is the bit I don’t understand, if 30+ kids can be in an enclosed space from the 19th, why can’t everything else open at the same time. 1,000 kids+ can go in the school canteen but you have to queue outside the chippy.
    3 points
  20. To be fair it's utter bollocks people are going on day trips to pick up dogs. I agree the system is a shambles.
    3 points
  21. I'm totally in favour of Liverpool as the main port but with freight and decent passenger facilities. Once they realised that full freight handling was out of the question, IoMG should have walked away. The costs have escalated to embarrassing levels, particularly as nobody seems to have a handle on them. We are building a facility which will be as much a benefit to Liverpool as the IoM and they should be meeting some of the costs. Heysham is a disgrace. People arriving at that railhead must be waiting for the SS officer to point them left or right as they get off the train! (In fact they
    3 points
  22. So, in essence what you are saying, is despite the overwhelming evidence that the vaccine rollout coupled with restrictions has worked & the fact that the U.K. and CI are both soon easing travel restrictions, we are to wait ‘just in case’. Is HQ & Co telling us our health service is inferior to the CI, are they mad men for exposing themselves to more risk? What is the criteria for ever opening up? 15 months into this shit show & the Manx Government will still not give us any clarity. Ooooo, let’s wait and see what happens in X, Y & Z .... just doesn’t cut it. It’
    3 points
  23. Yes, I posted this on the covid thread. Utter bollocks of a system, not to mention lost 111 recordings and abysmal treatment at the Sea Terminal.
    3 points
  24. Just to refresh everyone's memory.
    3 points
  25. I agree. There is no science behind these proposals. Even the mention of the air bridge depresses me. It's a massive counter step, shows the total lack of hope our government have, with no advantage to anyone...unless you have a second home in Guernsey. If there is a demand for an air bridge to Guernsey (which I suspect there will not be) then it should be based upon mutually agreed border controls and then completely open. It should not be based upon a second declaration as that second declaration achieves nothing scientifically.
    3 points
  26. But that is typical of the OP who must have had some middle management training years ago, and is still spouting the buzz phrases from the flip chart (yes, it was probably that long ago). It also demonstrates no knowledge of risk management, and you were right to bring the danger aspect of risk into the debate. The fact is that only the public sector is willing to accept the risk of mortal danger as part of its protectionist role. The private sector shouldn't accept that risk; if it does, it would likely fall foul of some law and/or be dabbling in unethical business practices in purs
    3 points
  27. No, to be fair, the list Meoir Shee gives is entirely consistent with the protectionist objective of governments. I wasn't just referring to pen pushers, but what the wider objective and, lets face it, the only role of government should be. The problem is when protection of one bit of society is at the cost of others. That is where a proper risk assessment is needed which balances the cost of protecting one part when it has a deleterious effect on others. That is not a commercial thought process which is why I disagree with people comparing public sector with private sector. Sure t
    3 points
  28. Just to clarify, could you please suggest what proportion of private sector employees regularly take ‘risks’, that is exposing themselves to danger as opposed to exposing shareholders to financial loss. Could you also suggest why the following, predominantly public sector jobs, in your own words, NEVER take a risk: Fire Officers Police Officers Prison Officers Paramedics Bomb Disposal Officers Surgeons Coastguards
    3 points
  29. The original announcement was that it would be built at no cost to the taxpayer, it then moved to £9m, that's acceptable and I agree with what you're saying. It's now running amok and nobody seems to be in control at all!
    2 points
  30. I can't find any reference in any of the local media archives (3 radio stations and iomtoday) that indicate any retraction or amendment although that's not to say that there hasn't been one. One update from MR was this from November last, similar to the previous iomtoday release from the February Budget, in which Baker indicated that there would be rises on the £38M figure.
    2 points
  31. In a word, nope. In many words, school staff find out anything when you do - via a confusing press release read out badly during a 4pm briefing.
    2 points
  32. the IOM where the retards in charge who have no fucking clue what the public have been told and don't want to know if they were told incorrect information. nothing to see or hear here due to convenient technical difficulties that won't identify or embarrass the person informing callers with the incorrect information that somebody further up the food chain gave them to parrot out in the first place, piss up , brewery, move along QUIETLY. i hope she gets someone to licence and microchip the dog (s) for her so the retaliation squad have one less target to aim at.
    2 points
  33. If the rules let you do it, the rules let you do it. That said, I've always been a bit sceptical about the sort of people who add their pets to the company web page, and give them their own email addresses.
    2 points
  34. And, yet, for all your scorn, they’ve done much better than the UK, the EU, indeed better than 90% of the jurisdictions of the world. Fully accept there have been cockups, and it’s probably been mainly down to luck than judgement. And of course, there should be transparency, and the advice, and evidence the advice was predicated upon, should be published in précis a week or 14 days behind and in full within 6-13 weeks.
    2 points
  35. The noise didn't help them, what helped them was both taking a round trip last night so they both entered and had to go into isolation. Bonkers. Oh, and lost recordings of their 111 conversation.
    2 points
  36. Yes, where is the demand for an air bridge to guernsey? Certainly not from the general public.....it’s the age old haves and have nots scenario. Those with the money and those who shout the loudest get what they want.......... do you remember in the first lockdown when on one of his speech’s hq allowed people with private planes to fly them and everyone said “eh? Who has a plane”
    2 points
  37. This extra week is just pointless...one of the lines they have given is to allow teachers to prepare...what have they been doing for the last six weeks? And don’t say teaching because that is simply not true....my boys have video calls every other day at a time that suits the teacher otherwise it gets in the way of their day and no teaching takes place in these calls......last week of term the home schooling was read a chapter a day of a book....... schools have already said in reality they can’t social distance so what are they preparing for....
    2 points
  38. To be honest, public sector is not about taking risk commercially, that is not what they do and nor should they. That is why dealing with them just seems hard slog. However, what they should do is risk assess, taking all factors into account, not just the ones that have political currency, and take advice. In any risk assessment you need to have a clear objective. In the private sector it is maximising shareholder returns whilst minimising the vulnerability of that return, through managing commercial, legal, reputational, and socio-economic risk which attends the profit-making activit
    2 points
  39. Worst syrup in the history of rugs. As obvious as the bollocks on a bulldog.
    2 points
  40. I’m much more nicerer in person. My written ranting is hard to tone down.
    1 point
  41. It's still a bit raw for him. (Not trivialising anyone's death, just the desire to be offended.)
    1 point
  42. I think, and this is entirely my own opinion, that bad mouthing anyone for NEVER (not my capitals) taking risks is entirely disrespectful. This entire thread is about Covid, I am saddened that the OP feels that Health Care professionals, predominantly public sector employees, haven’t encountered significant risk, often with the loss of their own lives. Whilst this risk is potentially managed and to some extent mitigated, “NEVER take a risk” is such a casual comment.
    1 point
  43. Someone left a book on our doorstep with thousands of names, addresses and old fashioned telephone numbers in it.
    1 point
  44. I believe it’s a data privacy breach. Not a GDP breach.
    1 point
  45. It’s written in the style of one of those ticker-tape machines that crop up in old b&w war movies.... ‘Bismarck on horizon...’ ‘Hood engaging...’ ‘Much smoke...’ ‘Hood’s blown up...’ ’Jet Ski man’s girlfriend sighted...’ ’Huge tits...’ ’Coppers’ nabbed her...’
    1 point
  46. Well if it's anything like the UK Taxpayers Alliance, transparency will be something that is for other people, not themselves. Similarly paying taxes.
    1 point
  47. Plague is generally used as a collective term for a group of English people.
    1 point
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