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  1. I think your all being unfair to our illustrious leader. On his watch we have seen the landing stage costs multiply , the Prom go from bad to a total embrassement without seemingly any injection from the big boss man. I do remember though on Princess Anne visit when interview by PM when asked about the prom he could only laugh . Rates reform has completly stalled on his watch as has the debacle of Gas costings which his Tynwald have seemingly failed to grasp the situation and pushed it back continuely . The Rachel Glover issues which clearly he had a big imput and all the other failures around Covid response and failure to lock down sooner. Programme of government seemingly has all but been forgotton totally on his watch . Then you have the Steam Packet responses , and yes theres lots more I know but it is early and my mind is on my second covid jab shortly and being able to view the expensive totally unnecessary structure at the airport built just for the purpose . No , the buffoon will not be missed and says alot about the people who voted for him after his failures in Health . I was 'fortunate ' ! to go to the Manx Legion for the unveilling of the candidates for CM and he was full of it about how transparent his regime would be should he be elected . Well I'm sorry you pompous man you have been anything but transparent at the head of OUR government and you will be remembered by me anyway as truly the worst CM we have ever had . He brought nothing to the table except arrogance and a total failure to address issues that have needed dealing with . Cant go soon enough in my eyes .my eyes lit up when this morning saw the headline to the topic..sadly am deflated massively now.
    11 points
  2. It would have told them that all those people were infected in the same location and linked back to the index patient, five days after they showed symptoms and tested positive with the Liverpool lab's turnaround. Clearly this is 1000% more useful if you know it <24hours after the positive result. Linking cases to each other, genomically or through contact tracing, shortens lockdowns. Genomics links cases that contact tracing has failed to do (unfortunately people lie, especially so when the penalty might be a holiday in Jurby). If I had all the Isle of Man COVID genomic sequences in my hands, right now, I could tell the IoM Government within 2-3 hours whether the March outbreak was entirely caused by the Steam Packet index case or was a combination of Steam Packet index case and continued transmission from the January outbreak. Do you think that's something that should be determined? I do.
    10 points
  3. I'm sorry this was an emergency. The government took emergency powers to itself to direct and control all sort of activities that would normally be the preserve of the private sector. If things then go wrong they can't then say it was nothing to do with them and it's everyone else's fault. What should the Steam Packet had done - mount a coup, round up CoMin and the Cabinet Office and shoot them and run the government themselves? And if you've put yourself in control then part of your responsibility is to find out "what was going on". Not that they needed to, as it happens the Report makes it quite clear that various parts of the government were informed on numerous occasions what the situation was. Not just by the Steam Packet, but by other institutions, MHKs and numerous members of the public. There's really no excuse.
    7 points
  4. Chief secretary & director of public health need to consider position, Howard is already going in September
    7 points
  5. I hope my synopsis of your excellent post, which appears in the next paragraph, doesn't dilute your accurate and eloquent assessment. But I feel a synopsis would work. Howard Quayle was a comprehensively useless CM. And most of us knew he would be.
    6 points
  6. Faster my. The chief minister has looked at the shitisthics and consulted with the chief cuntstable and lessons have been lerned. There is no need for hyperbowl.
    6 points
  7. When I watch Lionel messi or cristiano Ronaldo dribble past 3 players and stick one in the top corner I think to myself,I could do that. Deep down though I know there's no chance I could do that. I look at Howard quayle and think to myself I could do what he does, no doubt. There is literally nothing he has done in his 10 years that I can look at and go wow, that was impressive. The sad thing is each government/chief minister seems to be getting worse so God knows what things will look like in 5 years when the next election rolls round
    5 points
  8. Chris Thomas exhibits the “skill” every time he speaks
    5 points
  9. Yes, but is he a logistician? Its a serious observation. Years ago I worked with a company involved in aid projects. They set up an emergency response team ready to deploy at short notice for disaster relief and crisis management anywhere (the insurers called them International Rescue). It was staffed by ex-military and their skills in rolling out a response at very short notice to all kinds of emergencies predicated on a basic response plan template were impressive. This is back in the 1990s when there were lots of hotspots both in terms of conflicts and natural disasters. Their part wasn't to roll up sleeves but to evaluate a situation and pull together and co-ordinate the resources to respond. I am not suggesting we have that kind of resource on standby, but the plans and methodology might help in setting up a ERP and team in future and indicate the first actions and vulnerabilities, one of which has to be the SP. Not just for another pandemic, but say a jet falling out of the sky, loss of the power station, cyber attack, natural disaster and so on. The report focused on the response to covid only, but that response demonstrated that we are pretty unprepared for any national emergency.
    5 points
  10. I can't see how you can blame Dr Glover for this. It's quite clear from the evidence that she gave to the PAC that she tried hard to regularise various aspects of her employment by the DHSC (and remember she was still trying to 'run her business' at the same time). And the DHSC did their usual thing of doing nothing until the last minute and then trying to impose whatever the first thing that they thought of was, without bothering to think of the consequences. You can't come to an agreement all on your own.
    4 points
  11. Of course they were. The electricity has been on, the water flowed, as did the gas. The supermarket shelves were stocked (and the contents delivered to people’s doors) and other “essential services” continued. Most of these were not run by government and did not contribute to outbreaks of disease. Reasonable sanitary measures were implemented, depending on the situation and the costs were absorbed by the businesses. The IOM government appears to have succumbed to “paralysis by analysis”.
    4 points
  12. Many moons ago, before everyone had drones and when aerial photography was actually something special, a certain Mr Peters took me around the TT course in a Cessna while I hung out the side taking pics of the course. It was great fun and I should probably do it again. It wasn't very expensive. Certainly not the 800 quid needed for a whirly bird.
    4 points
  13. You’re quite right to query that. Shocking failure to capitalise a proper name. It should of course be fat Howie.
    3 points
  14. You’ve got to remember that for retired policemen of senior rank, and of Derek’s vintage. “pals” encompasses a spectrum from underground overlords of organised crime groups to high ranking masons. They may indeed be one and the same.
    3 points
  15. Which is why we need party politics, or groups standing on common manifestos
    3 points
  16. The difference is, tourism, transport to/from and borders apart, the IOM ran with no restrictions, everything open, no distancing, no masks, for 9.5 months out of the last 15. Compare that with almost anywhere else in Europe, including UK ( We are slightly behind Guernsey and a lot ahead of Jersey ) where they are still on lock down, restrictions, curfews, distancing, masks, number limits etc. Yes, lockdowns 2 and 3 were possibly avoidable with more testing, better track & trace and improved distancing and non mixing of crews on the boats, and/or faster lockdown. Hopefully, over the next 5 weeks IoMG will move to a Guernsey style border solution ( which starts 1/7 ). But I hope they put in a long stop set of figures to reimpose border controls at, say UK figures of 100/100,000/14 with a greater than 4% positive test rate or R in excess of 1.5.
    3 points
  17. But dozens of other organisations weren't told by govt to carry on with normal services. Apart from that I kind of agree. No great fan of any of the triumvirate really. It often looked like they were jealously guarding the management of the pandemic and seemed unwilling to recognise their own shortcomings and call in more manpower and appropriate expertise. Let's hope that in future there is less egocentricity and, in the meantime, an apology is in order not just to the SP crew but to the GMP who have endured what may well have been an avoidable 3rd lockdown.
    3 points
  18. I'm afraid I completely disagree with you. Whilst I'm no great HQ fan, he has behaved professionally throughout this saga. He has kept his council and at the end of the day opened up the soft belly of his administration to be investigated and taken the criticism. In the meantime has the SPCo has got away with being treated like a child with seemingly no accountability expected for it's own actions and the actions of its employees. Expecting to be baby'd through the whole process by goverment. Dozens of other organisations have managed to develop their own mitigations and risk assessments and further managed the movements of 100's of staff movements without incident. In this case well done Howard. You have spared others by your honourable action.
    3 points
  19. We have the man all ready, suited and booted waiting for the call ! Never fear Juan's here
    3 points
  20. They state that you can complete it early providing the info will be the same on the 30th May. I just did it, not too much trouble but you need to think about it and click on the links unprompted!
    2 points
  21. @banker, this is where you fall down, consistently. You make up “facts”. 1. population IOM is 85,000 and that of Jersey is 108,000. So jersey has approx 25% more population, not 50%. You exaggerated by 100%. 2. we’ve already been told that negotiations are underway for IOM vaccination passports to be on the NHS App. They already appear on the vaccination record there. But not yet on the Covid Vaccination Digital passport/certificate page. I had my second jab today. I’m sure it’ll appear on Monday. The one on 13 March took 48 hours. I’ll contact my GP for a paper certificate next week, as well. I’ve scanned and saved the proof of vaccination cards ( in colour ) and I’ll laminate the originals.
    2 points
  22. Looking like a epic fail to me tbh. Again !! Plenty on here are very used to using the internet but cant help feeling if users on here are having difficulties god help the occasional users .
    2 points
  23. But doing it early is stupid. It is a snapshot in time, one night only. Unlikely but possible. You get admitted to hospital or end up in the Jurby Hilton or die between doing the census and census day. You will bugger the info up. They really haven't stressed anywhere that I can see that it meant to be done on a certain date.
    2 points
  24. My wife went to Easingwold and wrote the first version of Noble’s Majax plan. Seem to remember it was like herding cats trying to get everyone to agree, but at least it was a starting point to have V.1 on paper.
    2 points
  25. Most of the money on de-humidification etc has been spent already as that's what they've been doing in the years since it was removed from Castletown. They have decided they can't replace the nails or remove the 50s paint as originally hoped, because that would cause to much damage. Most of the costs involved now would be on displaying it. MNH actually are doing tours of the Peggy where it is currently being kept (free, but you need to book) on Fridays afternoons in the Summer.
    2 points
  26. Trust me. He really really doesn't.
    2 points
  27. Can we stick to the topic of removing restrictions?
    2 points
  28. we won't live long enough for any of this to occur, nor will our grandkids.
    2 points
  29. Completely missing the point. It is not the army that is required but some of the skills involved in military planning. I am not talking about people who can deploy sandbags, but people who can assess and devise an emergency response plan. That is a specialised skill, but it is often a skill derived from military planning.
    2 points
  30. Yep and the Royal Marine bandsmen and women have quietly been stationed at hospitals and vaccine centers helping with vaccines and medical services. Most are medically trained . Often goes below the radar as they just get on with it .
    2 points
  31. I understand that, really. I am not thinking of the army getting involved in the response, but more the military skills will help in formulating a plan to be pulled off the shelf in the event of an emergency. Not my area, but I am guessing it would say which skills would be called to form the initial response, like I say health and legal have to be there and they would then co-opt others with appropriate expertise/responsibility specific to the disaster. It would also have protocols on the necessary legislation, how external resource was to be engaged with a template of terms (think RG), appoint liaison officers for specific areas like the SP who report back to the ERT. At the start if this everyone said that this was new territory and there was no manual. Well, we have gone through the experience, let's get the manual. It surprising isn't it that a lot of regulated industries (shipping, financial services) have to have ERTs but gov itself didn't?
    2 points
  32. Look on the bright side,the next will be equally as effective
    2 points
  33. I think you’ve got to divide it in two. The boat. The building. Im afraid MNH have been taken on board as part of our tourism offering, landed with too many things that they can barely afford to run, then when major refurb is needed ( Laxey Wheel, Castle Rushen, Folk Galleries, House of Manannan, Peggy & Nautical Museum ) there isn’t enough to go round, they’re delayed, then they all become urgent at once. We do spend a lot on various bits of arts, culture, heritage, sport, vintage transport. I agree that choices need to be made. Especially after the fortunes thrown away on Liverpool terminal, buses, the prom, the airport losses every year, horse trams, steam and electric railways. Even building a replica and displaying it in reasonable fashion will cost a lot for decent display. Yes, you lose the climate control elements, they aren’t cheap. But the old display, in a dank, narrow, low ceilinged, “garage” was never satisfactory. And the archaeological excavation of the dock, significant in itself, adds expense and logistical problems to the mix. So, my suggestions. Yes fundraise. Yes build a replica. Yes build down a stripped down basic display area, for the replica, at the Nautical museum, yes stabilise the original, then see if we can afford restoration and display here, or loan to other nautical museums. Too often MNH is seen by the Government, and the GMP, as a repository for things that are no longer needed, or will cost a lot, or where there’s public outcry if they’re sold off. We’ve seen it in Castletown with the Social Security office and Police Station. They ended up with MNH which has no need and no money to do anything with them. So they’ve ended up being leased out to private operators anyway. Government tried to offload the Gaiety, Villa, Steam & Electric Railways. MNH said no.
    2 points
  34. You suggesting I'm some sort of bumbling buffoon with poor taste in clothing? I could go on to clarify the situation by using a thousand more words and leave you more confused.
    2 points
  35. Clever(ish) of you to try and double bluff us Howard.
    2 points
  36. The big takeaway from the report for me is that there needs to be a proper emergency response plan in place for government, not just for covid but for any emergency. One that triggers a series of cross departmental actions with an oversight team. Of course, the make up will be dictated by the nature of the emergency, but there would be some core expertise, health, logistics, legal, say, supplemented by those with expertise or relevance in the type of emergency. It is easy now to look back and say that was what was needed, but I think the issues have arisen from trying to shoehorn in emergency response into existing structures, rather than say this is the team that needs to mobilise now and it needs to sit outside of the routine government structure. To be fair to everyone involved, there will be very few, if any, with the kind of mindset or background to switch on to a military style response. And emergencies need the military kind of approach, they are trained in logistics, emergency management, and risk and security assessment. I am not talking about calling in the army, but getting some military logistical input to a plan to roll out in cases of national emergency.
    2 points
  37. I think you've had it pretty easy so far.
    2 points
  38. I hate to tell you, but your chance of dying is 100% - nobody's made it out alive yet.
    2 points
  39. I haven't read it but I'll precis in any case ...... No one person to blame ...... lessons have been learned ..... a situation no parties have seen before..... we are where we are .... nothing to be gained by looking back .... we move on. Was I close.
    2 points
  40. So more candidates than the number of votes usually cast in the constituency.
    2 points
  41. Surely it's now called for? After reading the Steam Packet report it's clear that the actions of the Isle of Man Government in the early part of this year were not those of responsible regime. Howard needs to do the honourable thing and fall on his sword. Ultimately he headed up comin and Government, so it is he who is ultimately responsible.
    1 point
  42. I suspect the crew will be more this Than
    1 point
  43. Yes similar to insisting on a London flight for 3/4 passengers at a cost of £m to taxpayers, wasn’t a lifeline service or required for patient transfers
    1 point
  44. Your of course correct , for my part I'm sorry . Maybe to cover every eventuality we should restrict Spewing Juan from imitating a member of the armed forces too.
    1 point
  45. Completely agree. In the past the IOM has used this Easingwold Emergency Planning College to train Senior Civil Servants Managers and to develop Emergency Action Plans to deploy in the event of a disaster event on the island. The Hospital used to have it's own Major Accident (Majax) plan but maybe it still has. Frank Inman was a keen supporter iirc. https://www.epcresilience.com The training was top notch when I went with a few colleagues several years ago.
    1 point
  46. I was being IOM specific as, despite my personal feelings for the man, I don't think we can call on HQ to resign because of actions elsewhere. TBH, there may well have been similar chinks in defences elsewhere, we don't know. We know about the SP because we are a small, isolated community and we watch what happens in the SP because it is our link to the outside world and what puts food on our tables, tables in our kitchens, medicines in our chemists, etc. etc. It was a mess, no doubt about that, and there is no redeeming aspect, it was just an almighty aggregation of ineptitude. But I would rather see some positive actions arising rather than a resignation.
    1 point
  47. Yes but HQ has nailed it and owns it! Turns out he does have one talent after all......
    1 point
  48. Or directly here. Amusingly Manx Radio managed the old trick of providing the link to a copy of the report on one of it's reporter's own computers. There's a lot there but it's pretty clear that the fault lay entirely with the government from page 13): 2.3.1 At the outset of the pandemic (March 2020) IOM Government had clearly advised the Steam Packet that its Manx Resident crew were not required to self-isolate. 2.3.2 In August 2020 the Director of Public Health advised the Steam Packet that it was her view that Manx Resident crew in high risk positions should be in self-isolation, whilst off-duty and on the Island. 2.3.3 However there had been no substantial change in the official documentation issued to the Steam Packet (and its crew) in relation to its Coronavirus compliance requirements over that time and it is my view that the documentation then in place infers that self-isolation is a only requirement for Non-IOM Steam Packet crew. 2.3.4 In addition, since July 2020, for self-isolation (modified or otherwise) to be imposed upon Manx Resident crew then the regulations have required the Chief Secretary (or as in this instance, those delegated by him to do so) to issue Direction Notices to individual Manx resident crew members. 2.3.5 Such individual Direction Notices were not issued until after the February 2021 outbreak, following further review by the Director of Public Health and the Cabinet Office in relation to required procedures and the risk mitigation measures on board. 2.3.6 However, to clarify, this documentation still does not impose self-isolation restrictions on the Manx resident crew, providing they have adhered to stipulated risk mitigation measures whilst on board. 2.3.7 Accordingly it is my view that, whilst IOM Government advice may have been inconsistent in relation to this matter, prior to and at the time of the February 2021 outbreak the official documentation issued did not require for Manx resident crew members to self-isolate So they never asked for self-isolation at the start; Ewart said in August that maybe some should, but never followed it up with any paperwork; the Chief Secretary never issued any directions since; they finally issued some more after the outbreak in February but even those didn't ask for self-isolation. Then they said it was the Steam Packet's fault because their staff didn't self-isolate like they told them to. It's all incredibly incompetent and exactly what we thought it would be.
    1 point
  49. Worst syrup in the history of rugs. As obvious as the bollocks on a bulldog.
    1 point
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