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I've explained previously why we stopped buying milk from the creamery, but in case you missed it: Creamery could deliver any time THEY wanted, so the milk could be left in the sun in the summer, or not arrive in time for the morning rush. Best price was in gallon containers which the staff found difficult to store and use. Even that price was considerably more expensive than retail Cravendale from the Co-Op in handy litre containers. Manx milk sometimes had lumps in it. Cravendale didn't and stayed fresh longer. We tried to reach a compromise with the creamery rep (intransigent) and with the creamery boss, who despite promises failed to progress matters. You get to a point where you wonder why YOU are prepared to pay for a substandard service, realise the seller doesn't give a damn, so make a commercial decision.

Oh Christ I can see it now. Some over-regulated, very costly government initiative to allow probably one person to do what he has done now for nothing. All this from one complaint about him using a public footpath to access his hut. You talked about precedents, I think there's a far more worrying precedent being set here, that anyone with an ill founded complaint can cost the taxpayer thousands for no benefit to anyone but themselves. You only need to look as far as Sulby Claddagh. That land was left as a camping area by a well meaning land owner when he died and was freely and well used for generations. Until somebody bought the house next door and didn't like the noise from the Hoi polloi who use it. Now it's closed to campers for most of the year, even when it's not you have to pay for a permit and are limited to how long you can stay. There's also 24hr security, paid for by the taxpayer. All because some halfwit bought a house next door to an established camp site and then complained. It's bollocks.

Biggest lie.........”Lessons will be learned”.

We're not a tax haven.

Since I started the thread, I'll go first! "The Isle of Man, where you can." This is probably the land of the least opportunity I can imagine, a place where to make a small fortune, first you need a big one. A place where you can be crushed at the whim of a civil servant, where people are only too happy to see people fail, where people object to anything on the flimsiest of grounds and their politicians will support their objections! There, I've said it! Next....

If Daphne had a solid plan going forward be it wind or tide people may be convinced but it sounds very much as if this money is going to be spent on persuading people to commit to expensive work on properties which unless they are fairly new will not make a lot of difference and purchasing electric cars. There will no doubt be lots of advertising to push this message across and a steady build up of consultants and staff to ensure this is done. The money will dribble away until it is gone with nothing concrete to show for it. She talks about building properties that are eco friendly but how many and how are government going to get involved ? Give grants to builders ? It is all pie in the sky, a plan without substance, in fact no plan at all. It is a disgrace that this amount of money has been assigned to a vague non policy and a lot of people cannot understand why, posturing is one thing but not when it costs 42 million quid.

The PS headcount and Pension situation are under control.

Show us a viable, proven 'green' solution to this that won't bankrupt the Isle of Man and we can start work on it tomorrow morning.

This all feels very similar to the Eric Corkish thing. All it is, is civil servants bullying people just because they can. There were a whole pile of outcomes that could have arisen from this. But putting the boot in on someone is all they seem to like doing.

Because people insist on dredging things like this up, many of which are one-sided views of me from a man down the pub. Being a professional gobshite makes me an easy target, and that's fine as long as people are aware of my side of the story. Some people have advised me to 'ignore and rise above' criticism, but I think that's a bit imperious and/or cowardly.

Literally anything that comes out of their mouths

locate.im Loads of money to build the population and then came the census results ……….

That the new administration will be transparent and honest to the people . Heard it a few times now after each election

Jesus, this is dull. Haven't you got, like, a hobby or something to busy yourself with?

The classic ‘6 Chinese Banks’

Agree with all of these posts. What irks me the most is the lack of public accountability of senior public figures who f*ck up.

I can’t help thinking we’re dealing with a government here that can’t get a simple ferry terminal built without getting done over by the lawyers on the opposite site. What chance is there IOMG can handle an extremely complex multi billion pound project without being left holding the can at the end?

Yeah, you kind of get the impression that this guy wanted to get rid of Dan but didn't want to fork out for the legal fees. So he relinquished any claim he may have had to the land and dopey DEFA have taken it on by default, as well as thousands in legal fees and the cost of evicting him. This guy's complaint was obviously dubious as his land is covered in public footpaths and the fact he helped Dan to set up there in the first place, and seems likely to be motivated by him wanting to make a fortune building houses on his land. This and the Claddagh's are a dangerous precedent to set. All it takes is for some wealthy, self serving land owner to complain about something and regardless of the motivation or legitimacy of the complaint, Government throw long thousands of our money placating them, often to the detriment of the mugs paying for it. I think Government just need to grow a pair.

"If we don't increase farming grants we'll starve". "This Terminal will be at no cost to the Manx Taxpayer".

Accommodating high net worth individuals benefits the general economy. (Massive lie)

Do not expect the corporatist government of Mr Cannan to reduce in size

"Every penny of this Road Tax rise will be spent on the roads" (copyright D Cretney)

You were naive then as he's deeply entrenched in the bloat and mindset. Only had to look at his performance as Treasury minister to see that. Remember the Prom and Liverpool landing stage amongst other 'successes' ! all happened on his watch .

You can't see his shack from the property.

Increasingly my thoughts too. I've got 3 neighbouring households who have recently sold their properties at the top of the market and gone back to UK, retirement in Cumbria in one instance, they just couldn't see their future here. Out of the 3, two of the houses sold to "UK investors" who paid the asking prices within 10 days without even viewing, albeit it's a fairly new development. We're not immune from global costs for fuel etc, that's recognised. It's all the other add-ons and fuck ups we're paying for/going to be paying for as well that breaks the camel's back, power stations, ferry terminals, shipping lines and government financial conduct and govt numbers that are increasing like vermin on heat. Nice views don't pay the bills unfortunately and after the payment there's not much left. ETA. That a local Internet forum thread with this title would even be started speaks volumes IMHO.

That the TT creates money (wealth) for IOMG Plc

Or perhaps they could just let him live in the woods, nowhere near anybody, doing no harm and have saved us many thousands into the bargain.

'He just has to do it in the right place' And that's the rub, there is no 'right place' on the island for those of us who can't afford to buy land. Dan is someone who passionately wants to live causing the least harm possible. The irony of the effort being taken to remove Dan to enable defa to manage the woods for public access (Particularly now he has removed all the sharp, rusting objects - if they didn't know they owned the land how the hell was he supposed to work it out?!), and the potential loss of much of our beach isn't lost to us either. Anyway, as of now, Dan is still in his cabin and the hope really is that some deal can be done to allow him to stay. He's quite a character, bringing warmth and humour to those who know him, donating his labour to tree planting etc, pushing along the conversation about how we can live more sustainably without need of a £42m budget, and I hope we don't lose him to the faceless bureaucrats who offer so much less but cost us so much more.......

Re-read the thread, couldn't see a backtrack by Max.

Quite, but of course, having shot a Scotsman in a kilt, what better way to celebrate than with a sneaky passing of silver? Have to confess, this matter is starting to have a bit of the Tame Elf about it. The 'friends" would be better friends if they helped him to find an alternative place to live out his desired lifestyle than continue a futile argument.

As I've said in my two previous posts, I think I must be missing something here or completely misunderstanding something. Why would it have cost his former friend anything to evict him? As I understand it - and I'm more than welcome to be corrected on this if I'm wrong - his former friend could never be in a position to evict him because he - the former friend - didn't own the land that Dan was squatting on and never had. DEFA did and they'd owed it since 1949. Isn't that what the Deemster found? As I see this dispute, it's not necessarily a question about DEFA not knowing that they owned the land, it's a question of uncertainty about precisely where the boundary lay. As I understand it, after listening to expert evidence, including from a witness selected by Dan, the Deemster determined that the land had belonged to DEFA since 1949. It seems relatively straightforward to me... Insofar as my understanding of that is defective, I'm happy to be corrected.

Well I obviously must be misunderstanding you. You appeared to be saying that the land was only transferred to DEFA after their lawyers had examined the land registry in connection with this particular case: But my reading of the two judgments is that ownership of the land in question had already been lawfully transferred to DEFA's predecessor by the 1949 conveyance. It had been in their sole ownership since that date. The only possible uncertainty was precisely where the boundary lay - not who owned it. So there was nothing to transfer after DEFA's lawyers had examined deeds in the registry. Excluding some form of time travel, I'm not sure how I'm in agreement with you? We seem to have different understandings of what the judgments have found...

Well, you make remediation a condition of the licence and insist it is represented by capital paid up.

Brilliant Speech by the UN Representative from Singapore:

Exactly. So if it goes tits up and say £10 million in total has been invested in Crogga, but the clean up costs £20million....... The risk is far from just Crogga's.

Conversely many people are getting the same feeling about us taking a £400,000,000 cold bath with no solid plans on what exact 'green' projects we're supposedly funding.

Mount Murray is a golf resort for tourists. 😉

I cannot decide what to put forward….too many to choose from 🤗

don't stop there.

People on here and the News & Politics page always acting superior to politicians and civil servants, but taken in by an obvious spoof advert - loving it

That we are the 7th richest country in the world...did they really say that !! 😂

Unemployment figures. Check the May 2021 labour market, then from the same department the census figures collated in May 2021. The one that really pisses me of is Footfall, stakeholders and but really anything and everything from DfE. The thread should read when does Government tell us the truth.

There's a boat in the morning, usually a few days a week at least. If you have any 'getup and go' then you'll be on it. If you get left behind you end up running the place and the lack of quality in the keys shows this. Nice for holidays, walking the dog, watching the annual death festivals (TT, MGP). That's it.

Its worse than that as I'm 100% sure the census results , mainly due to no follow ups and wrong house occupancy details, were not remotely accurate. Census was another typical IOMG fuck up .

You really are boring

Someone affected by this £2m road closure from Brown Cow Hill to Fairy Bridge told me at our constituency meeting on Tuesday that there's 'mission creep' already in that they were quoted EIGHT months. I'd invited DoI to send officers to the meeting but they ignored me and didn't show. Let's hope they don't 'de-scope' this scheme and omit the asphalt to get it done on budget.

Freedom to flourish.

There is another ticker-tape thing at the bottom of the web page that is near-illegible because of badly chosen colour schemes. Just above it, it says "Stay up to date", but it is just as well that is mostly illegible because all the items are dated year 2021. How much did us pensioners pay for this? It is still possible to rent an advertising section for £350 per month. I'm tempted to book one for a month just to let everyone know how crap the management is.

Surely you'd be better off with two skilled systems people on £50k each than another manager on £100k though? This looks like one of those classical Manx hierarchy things when the authority chain is longer than in an organisation 100 times the size. Nothing else will convince those at the top how important they are. It's also why they end up with so many different incompatible computer systems, because those doing the work end up buying or throwing together something to solve the immediate problem, rather than plugging into existing ones because it will take so long to get anything through the hierarchy.

Horses do not drag trams they push into the bridles like the dray horses and the horses who were used with a plough. The only time they use energy is to start the tram then the tram runs on the lines without much effort. The horse trams are great and much more appealing to the tourists and locals than a knackered flume and add a bit of colour to a boring and third rate promenade.