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  1. OK. For what it's worth I'm going to try and explain why genomics is important in a ssRNA virus epidemic. No doubt it will end up being recited badly at a briefing, but, well, whatever. You read it here first. The COVID19 viral genome is a little under 30,000 letters long and is made of single stranded (ss)RNA, not DNA. One of the aspects of ssRNA viruses is that they mutate faster than DNA viruses, because they don't have a proof-reading capability when they make copies of their RNA to make more of themselves. This is a double-edged sword. It can be advantageous to the virus as it m
    32 points
  2. Rachel has tried every which way to re-offer her services. This last tweet wasn't the first time she's reached out. Government has made it very clear they do not want her to be involved. I want her to be involved. Not because I don't like the government, not because I don't trust the government, Not because I want to see her 'win' and them lose, not because she's my mate or my old school friend or because she posts on here and seems like a bloody good egg. I would like her to be involved because what she's offering is something very very special for the Island. Something we may, shou
    28 points
  3. I think you'll find most so called anti-government rhetoric is focused on government-stupidity and government-selfishness. In recent times - under Brown, Bell and now Quayle - all too many government spending decisions have hardly been effective, efficient nor economic. Can you name ONE major IOM Govt project that has ever been delivered on time and to budget? And remember the "Scope of Government" reports of 2006 and then 2012? The whole of government and all of its systems needs a top to bottom overhaul. Nothing has been done, in fact instead it continually spirals out of control o
    26 points
  4. There's only one solution to this mystery, an unpalatable one for sure. Someone is going to have to go buy the paper.
    24 points
  5. Have you never heard the term whistle-blowing? Dr G. tried every avenue and was well aware of what was at risk on her island. She isn't doing this for publicity, she's been offered far better gigs than helping out testing for COVID on a small island. But she wants to put her neck out, for the good of the island. It's a pandemic, we don't have time for cricket. We are currently in a situation that could have plausibly been avoided, if the calls for testing had been listened to months ago. The outbreak on the island is actively impacting upon people's health, both mental and physical.
    22 points
  6. If it were me, the people present at the particular venues would have been offered a test 10 days post-exposure (whatever date that happens to be) and told to isolate in the mean time. That wouldn't have affected too many people's livelihoods as their test would have been at some point this coming week and a lot of people have still been on annual leave until tomorrow morning. Yes some would have been badly affected by an isolation but I can't see any employer in this situation being anything other than supportive. Instead of logically thinking it through, they've randomly tested a numbe
    21 points
  7. After today’s briefing I’m increasingly concerned that Dr. Ewart, rather than being an independent, reliable and well-informed voice of clear and comprehensive advice and information to the public, is becoming, or more disturbingly has become, simply a mouthpiece for Quayle’s view of the situation. I want more confidence in the Island’s Director of Public Health than I presently have.
    20 points
  8. I didn't withdraw my services in the middle of a health emergency. I volunteered my services in the middle of a health emergency in March, got brought on board and then at least 3 other people took credit for my skills and expertise for 8 months. I was told I didn't work for the DHSC both privately and (very) publicly in the press. So I resigned, with the expectation that I would continue the same work as the external contractor David Ashford had been describing me as. The DHSC decided to ignore my lawyers, didn't know what they needed in enough detail to write it down specifically in an
    20 points
  9. I'm sorry, but Quayle doesn't get to decide if the advice was clear. The only thing that tells you if advice was clear is how the public at large understands it. If they (or even a reasonably large percentage of them) are confused, then the advice wasn't clear. That's what 'clear' means. It's typical of the arrogance and stupidity of those who are in charge of running the Island, both politicians and civil servants, that they think all they need to do is issue a single statement at 13 to midnight on New Year's Eve and then everyone on the Island will telepathically know exactly what t
    19 points
  10. Firstly, she is Dr Glover, as in PhD. Secondly, I am not sure many of us are confusing the two. Simply, testing is "do you have it" and genome testing is "what do you have". What we are saying is she is an microbiologist with expertise in really little things and finding them. We do not have anyone else with that expertise. What we are fighting at the moment is a really little thing, and even smaller bits of it. If you have read any of her tweets, she found the very machine needed to set up the lab for testing, unused, under a cover and had another bit of kit needed. She
    18 points
  11. As a news agency I'm sure Paul Moulton could hire in someone for a day to ask questions at the next briefing: HQ: I now pass over to Paul Moulton from IOM TV, Paul. IOM TV: I'm afraid Paul couldn't make it today. Hello I'm the intern Dr Rachel Glover, my first question to David Ashford
    17 points
  12. Everyone knew they weren't prepared to do enough testing at the most high risk time of the year, and behold, cases got through. Blame it all on the new strain and punish the Great Manx Public for their (gov) own mistakes and then hail themselves as saviours when this lockdown 'works' for taking strong early action. My contempt is boiling over.
    17 points
  13. I can't think of a single jurisdiction during this pandemic that has thought 'we really locked down too early'. Plenty did the opposite. Messing about with tier 3, tier 4, wear masks, take-away beer only, keep your distance etc demonstrably doesn't work. If the rumour mill is correct - we have multiple locations and community spread - then I'd advocate a strict, complete lockdown - just like in March - for a short time, instead of too-ing and fro-ing for a couple of weeks while cases build such that we have to lock down.
    17 points
  14. If you've chosen to travel for non-essential reasons in the winter during a global pandemic then it's entirely right you should pay for your tests. If you've traveled for medical reasons then it is entirely right you should not. It really is that simple.
    17 points
  15. They have no intention of building bridges. They'd rather the whole thing disappeared. The bottom line is that someone had the absolute gall to challenge them on some of their statements. They retaliated with a completely unbelievable story of an anonymous letter supporting their spin that was shredded the day it arrived. The public, understandably smelled a long tail. The government were ridiculed and someone had to pay. It was never going to be them. They chose Dr Glover. What they didn't consider (because they never look further than the nose on their face) is
    16 points
  16. Genomics...explained simply. By Genomes. Oompa loompa doompety doo I've got a Covid message for you Oompa loompa doompety dee If you are wise you'll listen to me What do you get when you fail to do tests? A lockdown with jobs lost and people all stressed What kind of berk, brings here people to work, Bringing a virus...that's gone beserk! We don't like the look of it! Oompa loompa doompety doo I've got a Covid puzzle for you Oompa loompa doompety dee If you are wise you'll listen to me What do you get when you fail to address The fall in
    16 points
  17. I have more influence now that I tweet my expertise then I ever had when I was on "the inside" after volunteering my expertise. If they fancied sending everything from the NYE cases to date down to my lab I'd sequence them all in 24hrs and in 36 hours they'd have the transmission chains of all cases since then mapped, linked, characterised and a report sent back for Henrietta and the contact tracing team to match up with their tracing data.
    16 points
  18. Anyone paying attention would have heard Dr Ewart explaining just how useful genomics testing is while at the same time demonstrating the problem with sending the samples away and having to wait such a long time for the results.
    15 points
  19. I had to read and listen to some utter shit to get that for you all, so I hope you appreciate it.
    15 points
  20. All the people blaming the boarders don't look so stupid now eh?
    15 points
  21. @Lost Login - let me have a go. And feel free to call me Wrighty, Ian, Dr Wright, Mr Wright - just avoid Mrs or Ms. The genomics adds to contact tracing. My understanding is it’s good enough to come up with a family tree of virus replication. So for arguments sake, let’s say the 1886 case and the Truth case have a replication gap of one, i.e. they’re both related to a common ancestor but both cases appear to have no contacts in common. The tracing based on phone calls makes no sense. You could then go back to them, re-interview, and find out perhaps that they both got petrol from Laxey o
    15 points
  22. Actually the point is they did sign up for it. When you join government, either as a politician or as a civil servant, you don't get to specify that you only want to do the easy bits. Coping with crises is part of the job specification. As it would be in any other job, public or private. And, guess what, so is criticism. Especially in a democracy - indeed it's the essence of a democracy. Picking holes in policy is what people are supposed to do. How else are improvements in policy supposed to come about?
    15 points
  23. Let's not forget that both Chief & Health Minister voted against additional testing in a vote in the Keys, in December. I feel the need to remind people about this fact, as it's often brushed over.
    15 points
  24. If the MBE comes on today and says there's no rush to vaccinate, then there'll be a shitstorm waiting for him and the rest of COMIN because it's been in the community probably since middle of last month, if not before. You really don't need to be a genius to work that out. Get those vaccines in people's arms before it's too late. I can't tell you how fucking angry I am that they thought testing was a waste of time. I'm afraid I no longer have any faith in the Public Health advice being given to COMIN.
    15 points
  25. Test, test, test. Trace, trace, trace. If we were doing more of the first, we could have been doing the second. It is shocking how defeat has been clutched from the jaws of victory because of egos and petty minds. I really hope the press push for answers on this at the next briefing and that there is an independent enquiry. Is there any MHK who will lead the charge on this?
    15 points
  26. There's a lot of well-considered, articulate, thorough analysis and commentary on this matter in the foregoing pages. But there's an awful lot of it. So let me summarise: Quayle is a small-minded twat.
    14 points
  27. I am going to go out on a bit of a limb here, I clearly have rubbed many of you up the wrong way (ooo err matron) I feel a lot of what I was trying to clumsily say is turning out to be accurate? The LinkedIn article could have been written by me, the groundswell of people who are completely hung out to dry by the lockdown and lack of financial support. I do believe I am hit harder by this than most on here. I and my family are really struggling with the border restrictions and when we could at least justify those with "covid free" they have now screwed that as well and I literally
    14 points
  28. So, we are currently depending on some of the lowest paid in society to care for older people, elderly families, taking risks in nursing and care homes without sufficient PPE, doing extras for the DHSC on the bank and on zero hours contracts, keeping food and supplies arriving and loading up shelves etc with unstable work routines, unpredictable work patterns and the ongoing insecurity that these employment practices create. On the other hand, those in government and alongside it are 'protected' from some of the harsher realities of life by being able to offset some of these outcomes by
    14 points
  29. Howie reminding everyone social media is full of fake news and to only trust official gov sources. I think I trust Dr Glover more.
    14 points
  30. Brought onto the live broadcasts in order to appease the people inside and outside of government demanding expert opinion after the parting of the ways with Dr G. A smoothing measure but without sincerity. She's still a woman, and she still doesn't know as much as them. Well, she does, she knows more, hence the occasional slip of the smirk, but they're not going to acknowledge that. Here we are on the brink of something potentially very harmful to life as we know it and instead of a robust, knowledgable, honest leader, behind the scenes there are those playing silly wee games. Do wh
    14 points
  31. Yes, they're getting arsey about the same, or similar, questions being asked but these questions need to be asked again and again. Especially regarding Dr Glover. I hope they get asked about Dr Glover every single day. And they need to stay cool, stop being so bleeding snarkey, and answer with decency. At the end of the day Dr Glover said months ago that there needs to be testing before people come out of self isolation. Which means that someone, somewhere, disagreed with this and did not think that it was necessary. Who was this person, or persons, and do they still think they know bette
    14 points
  32. They were rattled, but PM's question was a good one - do we have a super-spreader situation? PM didn't invent the term and it was right to explore it, but the dynamic duo were clearly not happy. The role of the press is to ask questions on behalf of the public, and the role of officials is to answer them. If they treat the press with contempt, they are effectively treating the public with contempt.
    14 points
  33. He might have done better if he wasn’t a known associate of known extreme right wingers, racists, brexiteers.
    14 points
  34. Yeah right, a glorified A&E Thanks to our ‘obliteration policy’ we’re currently one of the few places in the British Isles still doing any regular elective work.
    13 points
  35. Surely Alan means costs millions. DfE have people like Sheldon Hooper doing their theoretical estimations. The cost of house trams over the amount of money in the universe divided by the number of people who live on the planet times by the people who have heard of the isle of man, squared. Then rounded off to a guess. It is called Hooperskelly string vest theory.
    13 points
  36. As I understand it, the elephant in the room is that public health and CoMIN are of the understanding that Livepool will only be delivering a lineage (i.e. B.1.1.7). That's not the case, it's just that they don't understand the data nor where to look for the genome sequences themselves. Once someone like me has their sticky mitts on the actual genome sequences all kind of possibilities become apparent. Like who gave it to who. It's literally that sensitive a technique.
    13 points
  37. The luck we had to land in the position we did. The geographics, a population in general prepared to do what was asked from them, a genetic specialist, even a machine was found under dust sheets. Yet somehow they still managed to fuck it up, unreal.
    13 points
  38. At this point, if they swallowed their pride and sent me an email, I'd sequence and analyse all the cases to date for free.
    13 points
  39. There is a discretionary exemption provision. It’s there for cases just as this. Someone in DHSC or Cabinet Office has exercised their discretion, and exercised it wrongly if the facts are truly as we have been told. It’s clearly legally unreasonable, using the Wednesbury Unreasonable rules as long as the man is prepared to isolate with his partner, not share the bedroom, test on days 1, 6/7, 13, and care for her. Its also unreasonable to make him move out and pay rent elsewhere. Not just from his view point, but from DHSC view point. If he’d refused DHSC would have had to pay for her to
    13 points
  40. Agreed. All he's doing is regurgitating what's already out there. Nothing new. The world's full of plagiarists.
    13 points
  41. There is no reason why they cannot get more organised and deliver far more vaccines weekly. The Isle of Man has a piss poor record of delivering ANYTHING on time. They need to put the right kind of people in charge for starters.
    13 points
  42. I’ve listened to it. Quayle is a nasty, obtuse, ego-driven and vindictive individual completely lacking in the intellect, charisma and talent required to manage this. The Quayle-enabling silence and acquiescence of others within CoMin and Tynwald is a growing stain on them. Starting with the letter-shredder. They disgust me.
    13 points
  43. Well, the wheels go round and round, the wipers go swish swish swish, the driver says move along please etc. etc. All day long in fact.
    13 points
  44. She has a successful company, which possibly indicates that she has, actually, got a clue... Who cares if she is/has? She may, at times, come across as a bit self-regarding but because of her professionalism and application, and obvious concern for us all I'm comfortable with over-looking any of that... Now that's not what we want. I think we benefit from her critical judgment, she is, after all, an educated person and familiar with the science, her assessment of this ongoing situation and projections are an absolute necessity. Maybe if she'd been listened to earlier the situat
    13 points
  45. A couple of nights without big raids and you'd have likely been arguing that it was time to end the blackout. Constantly arguing against the rules and making unnecessary journeys.
    12 points
  46. Shame that these cases are obviously from weeks ago. If only we knew someone who had a quick and local turnaround, instead of relying on email ‘chase ups’...
    12 points
  47. This is absolutely ridiculous! Madness. You are offering 80 000+ people on this Island a golden opportunity to get ahead of the game and one/two/three? men are not allowing it to happen? I'm raging. Absolutely raging.
    12 points
  48. And one that the FB cohort has flatly refused to read. Perhaps it upsets their view of the paradigm? But it is largely correct. I posted way back about how comparatively easy it was for the IOM to eradicate covid - two points of entry, a largely compliant population, relative ease of tracking, a home grown expert in the field of testing, what could possibly go wrong?
    12 points
  49. I went shopping for my dad today, what is with people looking at things with their hands? There was a woman in front of me at the eggs, she must have picked up 5 or 6 packets of Eggs while I was waiting and was still faffing about when I whipped in at the side of her and took a box - I saw another man picking up veg too, they need to bring in a rule that says “touch it, buy’”. Rant!
    12 points
  50. Not helped by a government policy of playing it all down. No risk, low risk, not in the community, eradication, robust testing not required. There's not one government in the world looking after their citizens who would say, "I wish we'd taken things slower, I wish we'd played it down, I wish we hadn't panicked the public." I'm not a scaremonger, never have been, but here are the facts. Across the water they are running out of oxygen. Ambulances are driving from hospital to hospital looking for beds. patients are being treated in ambulances, outside hospitals because there are no
    12 points
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