The ships were visited in Liverpool by the ITF that is how we have the proof of the wages paid to the crew. And with regards to your question about the if the vessels crews were paid more than the Steam Packet then the unions would be fighting the Steam Packet to get a pay rise for there members, the unions are out to protect there members not the Steam Packet. But as we know that would not happen as the rates of pay in the Isle of Man and the UK are way above those in the former eastern block countries all of these crew members are from.
I believe that the company did flag out to the Bahamas at one time but they were still paying Isle of Man / UK rates of pay, the flagging out was not to get around paying lower rates of pay, around that time a lot of companies flagged out for tax reasons, this was just a practice of the time. You will also note that a lot of the companies who went away from the Isle of Man and UK flags have now returned as the respective governments have made it more attractive than it was before they left.
As I have stated, the unions are not out to protect or even stand up for the company, we are only interested in protecting the conditions and employment of our members. If Mezeron carry on winning frieght from the Steam Packet the company could be forced into liquidation and cease operating altogether, this would then allow Mezeron if they so wished, to operate a RoRo service from Douglas using the link spans as the Steam Packet would have broken the user agreement. As Mezeron are now owned by Dohle who we know for a fact only employ seafarers from the former eastern block and would not be interested in employing the then redundent ex Steam packet employees, you would have a shipping company operating from the Isle of Man paying poverty wages under slave conditions. This is moraly wrong and should be nipped in the bud before it goes any further. As I have said all along, it will be the people of the Isle of Man who loose out in this, not the fat cats at the top of both companies, it is the Isle of Man that will be left with a sub standard service crewed by people who are being exploited by a company who appear to have no regard for the welfare of there employees. If any of you on this forum are happy to let this happen then all I can say is shame on you, and lets hope that you are never in the same situation that the employees of the Steam Packet are in now.
Do you think these crew members from Eastern block countries / Indian / Chinese / Filipino etc etc don't actually live very well in their own countries on sea farers wages?
I know of Filipinos who pay servents to look after their homes, based on the money they make at sea. What do you base your statement of 'slave conditions' on? and what makes you think people who choose a job at sea are being exploited ?
Morals v business, no competition.
Clearly the SPCO is not Manx anymore, and the Australian bankers can go and rot. Everyone on this island has been fleeced by these pirates at some time or another, and this is just the shake up we need.
You are missing the point, the point is not that some Phipino's can employ servants from the wages they earn at sea but the fact that to compete with the Philipino the british seaman would have to drop to £2.40 per hour. As we all know some one living in the Isle of Man could not live on £2.40 per hour, so as I have said, this is unfair competition on the work force and there needs to be some sort of legislation put in place to stop this happening. It would not be possible for a company to start employing lets say foriegn cleaners at £2.40 per hour to work in the Hotels on the island as there is legislation such as NMW and work permits in place, there is nothing in place to stop this happening to vessels working out of the Isle of Man. I have been a seaman for all my working life and have worked on ships with multi national crews, I can tell you from experience that the majority of foriegn nationals do not earn wages that enable them to employ servants, most of them are supporting families back home just the same as UK nationals.
I agree with you Morals V Business, no competition. Thats why we need the likes of the ITF and the unions to protect the worker from being exploited otherwise we would all be on poverty wages and working under slave conditions.
As I have stated in previous post's, the unions are not standing up for the company, we are trying to protect our members jobs and the terms and conditions that they enjoy at the moment.
You say that the Steam Packet has been fleecing the manx public for a long time, I have to say that the figures have proved otherwise with the majority of passengers travelling on some sort of special offer. You do hear of the case when a person wants to travel on the same day they book paying top dollar, but that would be the same if you wanted to travel with Easy jet today or indeed if you travel by train in the uk on the same day as you book. If you book in advance then you get the better deal, thats the way it goes. A friend of mine needed to got off Island durung the bad weather, he had a flight booked to Gatwick wich cost over £200, he also booked a rail and sail ticket to London in case the Airport was closed this cost him £87 return. It was a good move on his part as on the day of travel Gatwick was closed due to the snow, so I wouldn't say that £87 return to London is fleecing the Manx public, I would say it is offering a good reliable service at a reasonable price.
Yes £87 as a foot passenger aint to bad, but most people need to take their car and you fail to say how much that smarts!