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  1. It's a good topic you have raised and your post covers many separate subjects. However, I would just like to correct you slightly on the above point, in that although a motion would fail if voted against by the Legislative Council, this is only an initial defeat. The Legislative Council veto was removed by way of an amended Constitution Act half a century ago (give or take a few weeks in fact). If the House of Keys lost a vote to the Legislative Council it can - within 6 months - reintroduce the motion and have it voted on by Tynwald as a whole. Thus, with 18 votes in the House of Keys, they can be assured to defeat an against vote by LegCo.
  2. Peter Norris Music is Mitchell's in all but name.
  3. Nothing. But I did point out that it was off-topic, if it makes you grumpy. It linked in to a point made previously. Almost like a conversation, a forum thread drifting off topic. Whatever next?
  4. /off topic a bit but out of interest: Yes, our politicians were very litigious. if not very sensitive, in those days. George William Dumbell MHK (founder of the Dumbell's Bank) took one newspaper owner to court for printing a pseudonymous letter that was rather unkind to him. Pseudonyms were very common in the Isle of Man newspapers right up until quite recently, so It's not confined to manxforums and the internet to hide behind anonymous names when writing scathing remarks about our leaders. Anyway, the newspaper owner was taken to court, and despite his advocate, Alfred Laughton, making a particularly skilful and passionate defence plea, he was found guilty by a jury. As it later transpired, the advocate was the writer of the letter! He was later to become an MHK himself, and so would have a degree of parliamentary privilege for protection. On another occasion from that period, the Bishop took a newspaper editor to court and won. However, the decision was overturned on appeal but the appeal decision was later overturned at the Privy Counci. The basis of the judgment being something to do with Bishops have universal privilege to say whatever they will. In far more recent times a deposed and perhaps indignant former MHK took the Isle of Man Newspapers owner to court for saying things about him that he was unhappy with. That was settled out of court and was not reported by the newspapers. Obviously. Except a small paragraph in the one remaining independent newspaper that hadn't yet been taken over.
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    I kind of see the point you are making Rog, judging by your previous posts on the subject, but it's not really an oxymoron though is it, whichever way you look at it. ps 'Downie' is the correct spelling.
  6. In the late 1800s there was much concern in Castletown regarding landowners closing down/diverting/blocking footpaths and public rights of way in the area. Further to a requisition, a meeting was convened by the High Bailiff at the time, and the Castletown Association for the Protection of Footpaths and Bye-ways was formed. I suppose it was all not dissimilar to today's situation.
  7. I heard an excellent mixed metaphor from a listener the other days, something to do with MHKs with their noses in the gravy train! Almost as good as Peter Karran talking about the white elephants coming home to roost!
  8. Mec Vannin, and the Manx Nationalist party have had plenty of representation at elections in the past. It is interesting to note that some of them only gained success once they had dropped the party tag. A Manx National Party/Mec Vannin candidate successfully gained election in Douglas South in 1976 when Peter Craine was elected although he was not returned at the following general election. Allan Bell, the current Finance Minister, stood unsuccessfully as a Mec Vannin candidate in 1976. He didn't stand again until a by-election in November 1984 although he didn't stand as a Mec Vannin candidate then or any time in the future. Charles Faragher unsuccessfully stood as a Mec Vannin candidate for Rushen in 1976. He successfully stood as an independent at a by-election when Eddie Lowey was elevated to the Legislative Council in November 1982, but did not stand again. Hazel Hannan stood unsuccessfully in 1981 as a Mec Vannin candidate but was only elected at the following election when she stood as an independent. Mrs Hannan topped the poll of 9 candidates, with a sizeable majority. She remained elected for the next 25 years. Around those years there were another half dozen or so other Mec Vannin candidates who were less successful So I would say that the influence of Mec Vannin has been fairly considerable, but nationalist parties tend to be only bubbling under until there is some sort of crisis. Maybe Mec Vannin days are not yet over.
  9. Roger Watterson is interviewing David Callister MLC and Charles Guard on Manx Radio Opinion just now. Gwendoline Lamb was mentioned but unfortunately they couldn't find a clip of her voice. I thought I would oblige by bumping this thread up from a few years ago. It looks like it might become topical again anyway. (Audio clips in first post of thread)
  10. The Times of India today goes for the strightforward 6 kingdoms: the kingdoms of: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Man itself and if you look up, the kingdom of Heaven . . . . with a seventh at the very end of the article being the, er, kingdom of childhood
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    Heads Up

    The TT will be finished off when there is a successful majority political will to do so. Perhaps next General Election a detractor might stand on an anti-TT platform. There are a very small number of MHKs who could possibly be classed as not being out-and-out TT supporters but they aren't against it as such and certainly not openly.
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    Mayor Of Douglas

    Mayor Of Douglas, Who will be next? Is now a pertinent question. The Council had already made a decision in voting Dot Pitts, wife of Councillor Stephen Pitts to be the next mayor. The decision was not unanimous or indeed popular. That is perhaps academic now, as Mrs Pitts lost her seat to Liberal Vannin Candidate Sara Blackman. What sort of person needs to be Mayor of our capital city? Maybe the Council will stick with their decision and have a non-council member to be mayor as they did when R.A. Oates lost his seat in 1997 but returned to take the boss's chair for the year. For some time now, it would appear that Douglas Corporation has been run by a tight knit group, lead by the self styled Leader of the Coucil, David Christian. I wonder will the gang of four new kids on the block from the Liberal Vannin Party be able to make any effective changes, if indeed change is needed.
  13. This matter has been discussed from various angles on many occasions in Tynwald over the years. About ten years ago the Government had an awful lot of difficulty in even getting the BBC to reply to their correspondence. Some of the more emotional politicians suggested we stop paying the licence fee or at least put the proceeds into an account until such time as the BBC bosses acknowledged the letters. On one occasion though, after a Calm down! Calm down! scenario, Tynwald realised, that however the situation had arrived, they could not that easily get out of it and in particular they did not want to upset the UK Government. (It is not easy pretending to be an Independent country). Anyway, a bit off topic, I note that Bill Malarkey asked the following question: ( Source Tynwald Hansard March 2007 page 436 ) I thought that only over 75s got a free TV licence and that it was not subsidised by Social Security. Do all pensioners get a free TV licence on the Isle of Man and is it paid for by Social Security?
  14. Manx Radio News Malachy Cornwall-Kelly (who seems an all round good egg imho) gives Tynwald a glowing report in the audio file attached to the News Items. I would disagree on one small point though, at the end he says "every member has a right to put down a motion an have it debated" This is not correct. Certainly the right to put down a motion to Tynwald is there but it is only debated if there is a seconder to the motion. There have been a number of motions put to Tynwald where our elected members have preferred not to have it debated. "Let's not go there" sort of thing.
  15. More like twice removed although some would say totally removed as it is a secret ballot and there is no way of knowing who votes for who. It is well worth contacting any or all MHKs, not necessarily your own. This is not a constituency matter.
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