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  1. Not obvious to me at all. Set up or not to open his mouth and say stupid things he still said them. Would it be acceptable for me to state that you believe that as I understand you are German and we know all Germans have underlying Nazi sympathies and think that the Aryan race are superior and then say it was fine to say that as you set me up? I think that to accuse you of that or any German would be pretty outrageous but then I think that to suggest that Obama being president shows that their is no discrimination against black people in the USA or black people etc in the IoM suffer the same level of abuse as those who are fat or ginger. Set up or not he opened his mouth and say stupid things. His punishment for that? A slap across the knuckles I think should be sufficient and to be frank some of the postings on here defending what he said I find far more offensive. Judging by many of the postings on here I think that the figures on the 2009 report about racism in the IoM are understated if this site was representative of the IoM as a whole. Hopefully it is not. Mind you I think some of you would argue that if there was a mass lynching by KKK in the IoM you would be arguing it was the fault of those that were lynched as they had not run away fast enough not to be caught. I'm done with this site
  2. More recently https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/taxi-driver-admits-screaming-abuse-at-rival/ https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mlc-candidate-subjected-to-racism-and-islamophobia/ Maybe read paras 342 - 346, 382, 398, 401, 603 in the this https://www.judgments.im/content/ET%2019-12%20Versluijs%20V%20Dept%20of%20Home%20Affairs,%20Fire%20and%20Rescue.pdf
  3. More recently https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/taxi-driver-admits-screaming-abuse-at-rival/ https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mlc-candidate-subjected-to-racism-and-islamophobia/
  4. More recently https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/taxi-driver-admits-screaming-abuse-at-rival/ https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mlc-candidate-subjected-to-racism-and-islamophobia/
  5. I cannot improve on this so I think I am going to stop posting except for the occasional repost of the this.
  6. They might be and I am not particularly in favour of their protest. I think it is pretty pointless and I wish that rather than protest in support of all black lives matter, which is not really something we are directly affected by in the IoM, they protested against abuse and discrimination in the IoM and highlighted what was going on here. I think or at least hope that was possibly the point that Stu was initially trying to make but basically ballsed up with some pretty crass arguments. However unfortunately for Stu whatever reasonable point he may have been, in his own head, trying to make, and if given more time and another opportunity might make, what he actually said was in my view inappropriate for a public radio station. I do half blame Manx Radio as it was an accident waiting to happen as playing a few records is really what they should have employed to do. Allowing him to have on air debates where he could express views was at some point not going to end well. Stu always appeared to treat broadcasting as if he was talking to his mates down the pub. Unfortunately if broadcasting you can probably not do that. Some of the things that are said and jokes told amongst mates etc are not things I would what overheard or said in public. Stu never really seemed to have that filter.
  7. Fair comments. However if you suggested that because Obama came from a more privileged background than you that was evidence that white people where in general not in a more privileged position than their black counter parts or that because Mike Tyson bit somebody's ear it was evidence that all boxers were likely to do that it would plainly be absurd.
  8. Why does it matter where they are from. It is either acceptable what Stu said or it is not. It does not become acceptable simple because the caller was not from the IoM or become unacceptable because they where. Defend what Stu said because you believe it is acceptable on a publicly owned radio station not because you can find a reason to ignore. To a certain extent that is why the protests have come about around the world. For to long people have looked to find reasons why they can ignore an issue rather than think it needs to be addressed. Police brutality? Yeah we can ignore because it was to criminals.
  9. Reading many of the comments here no wonder there is so much prejudice and discrimination about. The number on here desperately trying to ignore what Stu said and finding reasons attack those who are complaining about what he said I find incredible. They are professional moaners, people with agendas, bleeding heart liberals etc, it is fake outrage. I was not outraged, I have not and will not complain to Manx Radio, the IoM broadcasting Commission, demand that Stu Peters is placed in the stocks. In my view he got it wrong and if I was his employer I would be very uncomfortable if one of my members of staff was happy to publicly argue that the level of abuse the average black person might get in the IoM is no worse than somebody will get who is fat, that as a white late middle aged bloke he has no more privilege in his life than the average black person, that the fact Obama became president proves that there is no prejudice in the USA against coloured people, and laughs/scoffs at callers who take a different view. Doing that in on a public broadcasting station which relies on advertising for its revenue and you ain't going to get away with it no matter what angle you are coming from. That posters seem to think that is acceptable these days on a publicly owned national radio station I am staggered and it really shows how far we have to go before it is accepted that low level and prejudice and discrimination is not acceptable
  10. I would agree that he was not being racist but I think that some of the things he was saying and views he was expressing where not acceptable for a presenter on a public service broadcaster. I do have a trouble with regard to some racism allegations as occasionally you see or hear somebody being abused, sometimes racially, and just because that person is of a different race does not mean you are being racist. If I was walking down the street and somebody just hit me with no provocation I would probably give a fairly abusive response and the form of it would probably be based on an obvious characteristic of that person which might be colour. In such a case you are giving out abuse simply because of the other parties actions not because of the colour of their skin If on the other hand you simply have derogatory views about them purely based on the colour of their skin or would treat them differently because of that you are. I would not describe Stu as a racist, I would rather see him as being completely unaware or uneducated on the matter. Many of us are in the same boat and we need to change or the discrimination/prejudice will continue. Regrettably I have to include myself in that as whilst I would like to think I don't hold those views I know I have some preconceptions. Finally I think that this matter does show why many choose to post anonymously. It is not because we have anything to hide but it is fairly easy to say something very clumsily without meaning to be offensive which will be quickly forgotten if you do so anonymously but can impact your day job if you do so in your own name.
  11. Those might be legitimate questions to ask & if he was simply asking questions in an impartial manner to stimulate a debate then that would have been fine. But that is not really what Stu does, although I think that maybe that is what he thinks he is doing. Rather he argues his personal point of view and appearing to argue that as a white middle aged (I am being generous there) he has been subject to no more privilege than the average black or coloured person is simply ignoring the facts. There may be little he thinks he can do about it but that is part of debate at present. It is argued that there has been no real change in discrimination because white middle age blokes do not view that we are privileged or do not accept that in general there is level of discrimination against those of colour and so the level of discrimination etc that goes on simply continues because many of refuse to acknowledge it exists. Yes it is not as bad as it used to be, I am sure we all acknowledge that and that is to be applauded, but to try and argue it effectively does not exist any more ignores the facts. Stu also was arguing that the level of abuse that/discrimination that coloured people receive was basically no different that from that an obese person or one with ginger hair might receive did make me wince. That was pretty crass and to equate the prejudice and discrimination coloured people are on the end of as being the same that obese or those with ginger hair receive I find almost comprehensible. I have heard in the IoM and in the UK people say pretty offensive things about people of colour etc purely because of the colour of their skin. I have never heard the same sort of comments in respect of those who are over weight or ginger. Am I offended by Stu's remarks. No as I am a privileged white male so they do not directly affect me. Do I think that they are acceptable for a presenter to be arguing on a public radio station this day and age? Again no
  12. Totally against looting and criminal damage but there are times and places for protest and disobedience. I would also advocate on occasion targeted criminal damage. e.g. if a company is involved in an illegal activity and is openly happy to continue and ignore the demands to stop I might support targeted activity on equipment, machines etc to prevent
  13. You sound like Stu. As only 3 people were killed in the UK everything is fine but totally ignore that all the evidence that minorities in the UK tend to be targeted. Most of the videos you see of police in the UK being overly aggressive are white officers against black civilians. That is not to tar all police like most of society it is only a minority who cause the problem. Same with the protestors, the majority are peaceful and there are only a few who cause problems. Many of these are often not individuals who are at all bothered about the cause but just simply use as an opportunity to loot and cause damage. Your idea of writing to your MP if you want change because you feel you have been on the wrong end of injustice for generations is laughable. I am sure William Reece Mogg,, Michael Grove and Boris Johnson will give a fuck. History has shown writing to your MP really works. If only the suffragettes had realised that! Unfortunately there reaches a point where it is only mass protest and civil disobedience that gets a reaction. In my life time the Poll Tax would never have been changed without the civil disobedience. It was the riots in Toxteth and Moss Side that saw the problems in the inner cities start to be addressed. How much more successful Ghandi and Martin Luther King would have been if rather than protest they had simply written some nice letters.
  14. Much more succinctly put than I have posted. Unfortunately Stu just did not seem to understand the point that callers where trying to put across that just because he does not experience it or that racial prejudice is not very prominent does not mean that many do not experience it as a matter of course.
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