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  1. 29 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    Sorry to quote myself but this is from personal experience.... anyone considering taking magnesium supplements should speak with their GP first I would suggest. Watch out for an imbalance of electrolytes.

    Or just have an innocent epsom salt foot bath until the situation rights itself then stop. You don't inform your doctor before you go on a massive bender/smoke 20 fags/binge on McDonalds/drink coffee all day. Your GP is there for genuine emergencies, not to hold your hand. 

  2. 11 hours ago, Kopek said:

    So a G & T after sundown would be good for night cramps???

    Anyone any other non medical remedies? I've tried Bananas, more salt, less salt, the only thing that seems to help is stomping around the bedroom for 5 mins!!!

    An epsom salt foot bath in the evenings. Magnesium is a muscle relaxant so try that, works for a lot of people.

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  3. 21 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

    There were rules there, but they were the old rules - as they should have been because those were the one's still valid.  If you look there now you can see that it is marked as updated today.  What they didn't have was a separate document showing what the restriction would be from today onwards.  And they admitted as much at the briefing yesterday.

    The problem is that they have now given the impression that there will be a substantial change in people's live from today and it hasn't happened unless you happen to be a building worker.  And 99% of people don't look at the details of what hard to find documents on the internet say - they rely on the general impression they have been given.

    But you still have to treat people with the maturity they deserve. You shouldn't have to spoon feed every single bit of information out. 

    It's been said before numerous times but this thing isn't going away what we're now having to do is move to the next phase of managing it, comfortable in the knowledge we feel we have sufficient capacity should there be inevitable mini peaks amongst the troughs as things get back to normal. 

    If people want to disregard guidelines they will be punished accordingly but the world still keeps turning and we have to move on.

  4. 8 minutes ago, ecobob said:

    It’s your’s. I can’t work you out. You came here, you loved it, you raved about it but you Maine’s about the government. Then you moved away? You couldn’t see a good ending to here and left before it all went tits up. Now you’re back? Are you back? Now you think they’re doing a great job. So yes, I’m confused. 

    Just for the record, I agree about the economy. I know we’re short of dosh and things need to get back to ‘normal’ (god help us) but I am struggling to find trust in a government that doesn’t appear to know what’s its doing from one day to the next. 

    Only two weeks ago we were being prepared for a long lockdown. There were going to be many deaths and every one of us would lose a loved one or know someone who had.

    We were told that we had enough money to keep everyone home for six months, to keep everyone safe. That safety and saving lives were more important than money right now.

    Last week we were told that the peak of death and infection was going to be the 9th of May and we all had to stay safe and indoors until then  

    Yesterday we were told by the CM that restrictions on movement were being relaxed and 4500 workers were to begin work on Friday.

    Yesterday government ministers and the Speaker were complaining that this was all news to them and that this info had not been scrutinised by them or the upper chamber.

    Today, despite the CM’s relaxation of staying home a chief medic who has been working every day since the 6th of March and who looked and sounded absolutely exhausted begged and pleaded with us to stay home for longer than has been suggested  

    I know this is not an exact science. I am fully aware of that but I and others are also  getting the impression that even though it is not an exact science our government seem to be making a massive hash of getting info over to the general public and furthermore that it seems to have become a lot worse since the CM returned to the stand.

    I’d like to have faith in them. Our lives are in their hands. Surely even you with your newly found pink tinted glasses can see that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to keep up? 

    You don't need to work me out.

    If the government fucks up I'll say it. If I don't believe they have then I'll back them. There's no exact science to it. I'll judge as I find.

    I think the permanent administration of the island (politicians come and go but nothing really changes) were taking and will take the island into financial ruin. That hasn't changed, albeit it may have been expedited due to the current situation.

    On the subject of the lockdown I think relaxing restrictions tomorrow is a huge call but ultimately, on balance, possibly the right one. Only time will tell of course. 

    It's no more complex than that really. I'm backing this decision just as I've criticised others. 

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  5. 1 minute ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

    I partly agree with you except that I am not sure they have clearly told the vulnerable that nothing has changed for them. They are the most at risk so it would be sensible to keep them out of harms way and let the rest get on with a more normal life. The needs of the many etc.

    How exactly would you like them kept out of harms way? Maybe throw them all together under one roof like Abbotswood? Barricade the front doors of the elderly from the outside?

    Some might feel they have lived a decent 80/90 years and they'll be damned if they are going to be kept under house arrest at this late stage. Who would blame them if they fancy an ice cream on a sunny day after 6 weeks indoors going stir crazy. What will be will be. 

  6. Just now, ecobob said:


    There’s no need for sarcasm. I’m an extremely positive person but I can also sniff out bullshit at a safe social distance  and I can smell bullshit  

    If it all goes swimmingly and we have no huge spike in infections or deaths, if our NHS workers are provided with enough approved PPE and beds and ventilators don’t become scarce, if testing is seriously ramped up to show the true figures and contacts are traced and tested and if island wide antibody testing to see who has immunity, then I will be delighted and humbled to be proved wrong  

    Enjoy your ice cream. Have some sprinkles and a flake too  



    What bullshit are you smelling?

    They have decided to relax the restrictions to attempt to get back to a functioning society. It may work, it may not. These decisions aren't made on a whim, they have input from both medical professionals as well as politicians. Everything we do from here on in is a gamble, some decisions will be good ones and others not so, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and they don't have bags of time to make important decisions. There will always be the temptation to wait another week, another fortnight but life must attempt to go on at some point.

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  7. Just now, ellanvannin2010 said:

    But I think you will find the older and vulnerable in the population will see this as a green light to do exactly that, go out for an ice cream or the chippy and wander around Tescos in pairs as they do. They would have been better making in crystal clear that those groups should stay in isolation and allow the "less vulnerable and younger" out more for a few weeks and then review


    You can't mollycoddle everyone. They have been quite explicit with the new guidelines, it's up adults to act like adults and respect them. They have told the vulnerable to stick to the same daily routines, nothing has changed for them. If they decide to disregard them then we all have free will, just. 

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  8. 1 minute ago, ecobob said:

    I agree but I still think waiting another couple of weeks or a month might have been more prudent and I think the general populace would have accepted that. As it is, I think most are surprised that things have moved ‘on’ so quickly.

    I would dearly love to be proved wrong in this but the whole thing now seems to be taking an air of Laurel and Hardy and we all know what a fine mess they got themselves into. 

    You want a top up or is that glass still half full?

  9. 1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said:

    I was suggesting that they got it wrong from the start. Neither ice Cream, Pizzas or any convenience food is essential. 

    Seems to have worked though, so they didn't get it wrong at all. Let's knock them by all means when necessary but they've got on top of it and still allowed pizzas, chips etc... Following that logic what's a bit of ice cream too?

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  10. 17 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    And there's the rub. What has been listed could hardly be described as essential, any of them. Deliveries may be but not collections.

    Eradicating this is out of the equation, we have to move onto the next phase of managing it. We can't wrap young, fit and healthy people in cotton wool, life has to attempt to get back as near to normality as we can. Obviously older and high risk individuals aren't going to go out for an ice cream but if someone else wants an ice cream after a chippy then so be it. Let's not get too nanny state about what constitutes essential. Commerce needs to be be resumed, for the good of everyone.

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  11. 17 minutes ago, Cambon said:

    Yes. Just like you have been able to queue for non-essential fish and chips, pizza, etc. for the past five weeks. 

    Correct. This type of situation always brings out the intellectually challenged who will moan at every move government makes just because that's what they like to do. Complain when it's justified by all means, although negativity is a far easier state of mind than positivity. 

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  12. Just now, Kopek said:


    Welcome home, hope your family over there are Ok.

    Are you in Camp Comis??? D'you get an upgrade? We'll all come and throw things over the fence to you, phones, drugs...stones!!:P

    I'm not back on island, I'm in the UK for the foreseeable. I decided against entering the government lottery to be picked to pay a grand and be interned for a fortnight so I'll ride it out. It's not ideal and I might be adding 'marriages' to the list of losers out of this but what will be will be. Lots to sort out over here anyway yet.   

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  13. 6 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

    For the first time there's been mention of 'feelers' being put out to the U.K.Treasury. Brings back memories of Tony 'Loadsamoney' Brown at Mansion House. I'm sure there'll be a Sir Humphrey that will remind us of that at a 'diplomatic' moment.


    Senior figures in London who may remember that, if they remember it at all, will have since taken retirement. They have had far bigger issues to content with in the last decade than to recollect a bit of bravado from a pea-brained caricature from a parish council on sea. 

  14. 43 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    But isn't it the case that it's because of the lockdown that we probably haven't had more deaths? You've fallen into the same trap as others in assuming that because we've only had four deaths that it's really not that bad. That's why I asked earlier, what would your red line(s) be.

    Every red line is arbitrary based on an individual viewpoint. 

    There will be losers in this whatever happens; deaths, businesses, livelihoods, jobs. The issue is politicians are torn and no-one wants to be the one responsible for making the wrong decision in times like this, which is why we are copying the UK when really we should be making decisions based on our own unique set of circumstances. Takes wise heads and strong nerves. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, Manximus Aururaneus said:

    I am not going to knock the Government on this because like everybody else they are (by necessity) making it up as we go along - it is correct to use the 'moat' in  the short term.

    But I think that there are adverse implications to this that will soon become apparent - there are lots of highly skilled people who are not going to be prepared to incarcerate themselves on the Island away from their families abroad just because it suits IOMG for them to do so. They will leave to visit their loved ones, and if it's too much bother to get back, they'll stay away.

    Quite right. I unexpectedly had to leave the island last week to care for a loved one in the last days of their life. Totally unplanned but unavoidable in the circumstances. Having to register deaths at the moment in the UK is a hassle in itself too in these times, not to mention arranging some kind of farewell and dealing with affairs. All takes a lot longer than usual. I'm now undecided what to do next about returning.

    Not everyone who is off island and wanting to get back was sat on a beach disregarding government warnings, like you'd think reading some posters on this thread.

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  16. 16 hours ago, theambo said:

    My personal opinion is that farming subsidies should only be offered to produce that stays within the local market. Why is the taxpayer paying for food to be produced and shipped offshore.

    At a time when the island needs every penny it can get it's hands on, attracting much needed funds onto the island from elsewhere needs every bit as much attention as maintaining the flow of existing capital within it's borders.  

  17. On 4/11/2020 at 9:24 AM, Chinahand said:

    Lxxx says it was down to an undeliverable bid and you agreed. If a company signs to deliver x for £y when doing so will bankrupt it then do not blame politicians for being annoyed when the company fails. You usually understand that. Why you don’t in this case is informative. 

    China it was undeliverable in so much that the assumptions they had in the bid, which were reasonable at the time based on the knowledge available to the marketplace, weren't delivered upon by a state-owned apparatus, Network Rail. Burnham could and should have made the public aware that the reason their train now wasn't arriving on time was that a government owned infrastructure provider hadn't delivered on it's promises. Instead he sat on the side of his bosses and sniped at the private sector. He'll ride the wave of public opinion on any issue he can score political points over. It's why he's so well-liked by the average Joe, they aren't privy to the bigger picture and just see his media soundbites. Standard politician. Twas ever thus.  

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  18. 5 minutes ago, woolley said:

    You clearly haven't seen him operate. I stand by my post in which I described the main reasons for the Northern failures. It is totally factual based on information from parties involved. Of course folk around there blame Northern because that's the name on the trains. Of course they say good riddance because they are listening to good old Andy and the bullshit he came out with about the cause of the problems. They don't delve into the nuts and bolts of it. If Network Rail tell you there is going to be twice the through capacity at Piccadilly Station and you build a timetable around the pledge, only to find that Network Rail haven't built it, is that your fault? I am not championing Northern- they had their faults. But there was much beyond their control which Burnham did not acknowledge. Will it get better now? Same staff. Same management. As the new trains arrive with greater capacity and comfort there will be an improvement. Just as there would have been under Northern. Will Network Rail put in the extra capacity they promised?  Certainly not overnight, so no step change there. You can bet though that Andy will be there to take the credit for any improvements that do come along. It's what he does well. Incidentally, Schapps too was not above bashing Northern but at least he did concede that factors beyond their control had conspired against them. In the end Arriva had over promised based on top performance from themselves and their operating partners but underdelivered when they and their partners fell short. Burnham made political capital. 

    Arriva Rail were told by Arriva Group, and by definition Deutche Bahn above them, they had to be successful in a franchise bid within 12 months if their business unit was to survive. Their bid was effectively undeliverable and was built on the premise of every variable going in their favour, which of course it didn't and unravelled rapidly. As you mention a lot of factors were out of their control and they were unfortunate, but the unions also saw weakness and pounced on it with some debilitating union action. There are some good people within Northern that were working with one arm behind their back and Burnham certainly didn't help their cause when he could have called out Network Rail and the unions more publicly, but he kept his nose clean and rode the wave of public opinion. Now it's back in public ownership he'll have to wind in the rhetoric now, it won't be as easy to score political points anymore.   

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  19. 3 minutes ago, Holte End said:

    Is this not Tim Bakers MHK responsibility, he has a masters degree in economics.

    I can't believe with his guidance the place should be the most cost effective meat plant in europe.

    Look at the highways and airport you can see his influence has improved these no end.


    If I wanted something to run efficiently and be cost effective I definitely wouldn't want a guy with a Masters in Economics overseeing it.

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  20. 19 hours ago, woolley said:

    Shareholders are taking the losses as I posted. Investing in airlines is not a bowl of cherries at the best of times. There is always the risk of volatility. A volcano here, a terrorist there, a pandemic..............  Easyjet is no exception; and now is not the best of times.

    So they made hundreds of millions in profit. Hugely profitable, you say. Sounds great in the populist press for sure. But there are a LOT of shares in issue to divide that moolah between, and the small matter of retained earnings for future investment.

    The total of dividend for the past 5 years cumulatively is £2.524 per share. Since Feb 20th the shares have crashed in value from £15.085 to £6.812, a capital loss of £8.273 in 7 weeks. In 2015 they reached £19.15, a capital loss to date of £12.34, so take the £2.524 in dividends  (less tax of course) from the £12.34 loss, and an investor who bought in 5 years ago to take advantage of this bonanza of which you speak, is now sitting on a paper loss of £9.816 as his reward for each share he bought in 2015. Now of course, the share price is likely going to come back, to some extent, but nobody knows to what extent or when given global uncertainties about travel. And future dividends? Well don't hold your breath with a billion pounds of additional debt taken on and no real indication of demand in the market. I wouldn't hold airline stocks as an investment. There are much easier ways to make money.

    Easyjet should have heeded Stelios' warnings. Air travel was never going to continue on the same trajectory, once you factor in the increasing focus on climate change and the political will behind it. Greed overtook sound business planning.   

  21. 7 hours ago, woolley said:

    Well since you mention it, quite a bit as it goes. Involved with a company close to the Northern Rail franchise. Burnham would be briefed about the problems that Arriva were having that were totally outwith their control. For one example, delays to new trains (being made in Spain of all places) that are replacing the old unloved BR Pacers. For another,  broken promises on infrastructure developments by Network Rail, such as relieving bottlenecks at Leeds and Manchester Piccadilly by providing additional capacity. Northern's business plan for the service levels specified in the franchise were built on these improvements, but they simply never happened rendering the advertised service levels undeliverable. Burnham understood all of the factors very well,  but he'd still go directly from being briefed on the reality straight to a tv interview where he would blame all of the ills on Northern and demand the removal of the franchise.  He's a politician. Duplicity is what they do best. 

    Absolutely spot on. I worked closely with Northern Rail over the course of the Arriva franchise, still do now they are back in government hands, and he used to pop up with his soundbites on Granada News and other local media sticking the boot into Arriva whenever asked. It made good headlines and it encouraged talk of the local regions having more say into whatever comes after Arriva hand the keys back, which of course they had no option but to do. Your stereotypical politician. All things to all people, style over substance.  

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  22. 1 hour ago, Major Rushen said:

    The concern will be that a few people on ‘Holiday’ in the uk with homes / family here  on the Island will see this door opening and try to get over.

    And that is an issue because...? If they are residents of the island the government needs to accommodate their travel back home by putting in place suitable procedures upon their return. 

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  23. It would be refreshing to see some leaders emerge from this to take the tough decisions needing to be addressed and build a micro nation fit for purpose for the years ahead. It's going to take strength of character and thick skin to withstand the attacks from all quarters of vested interests but it's necessary. I'm not optimistic but we can but hope. 

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