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I wasn't outraged. My response was also a "jokey flippant" one, although I was also setting the record straight that "Paul's Got Wright" is not me. Why would they miss him? He's only been gone since yesterday.

To anyone who may be reading this thread, let not the childish replies of these two ANONYMOUS characters distract you from the FACT that they have thus far failed to provide ANY evidence to support their claims against Mr Shimmin.

You're the one who has slandered a public figure. All I did was call you (an anonymous internet user hiding behind a fake name) a liar for failing to back up your claims.

I apologise that you are a cock.

If John Shimmin wants to pursue a libel case against me he can, I have the emails to support my claims. You have nothing to support your allegation of me being a flat out liar. I repeat, apologise and that will be the end of this matter. You are an unidentified and anonymous internet user. Good luck taking me to court.

So you won't provide any proof to back up your slanderous / libelous claim that Shimmin is a bully. We're just supposed to take your -- an anonymous internet user's -- word for it. I suggest you drop your libel against an identified person before you ask me to drop my claim that an anonymous internet user is a liar.

You're the one who is defaming a person by their real identity -- i.e. John Shimmin. You're just an anonymous internet user. Where is your backup for your claims that Shimmin is a bully? PM me the emails and I will apologise.

"Breeding will tell."

How many times have I been accused of being a liar on this forum? And now I turn the tables and accuse one of you of being one and suddenly you get your knickers in a twist.

How exactly does one go about defaming an anonymous person? Get real. Especially when you yourself have accused me of lying multiple times. If you'd just asked for an apology, instead of demanding one, I'd probably have offered one. As an anarchist, I don't react well to demands.

The wrong half.

You're a flat out liar. John Shimmin is a nice guy. It's the civil servants who are unethical and engage in bullying. I'm starting to remember why I stopped trying to join in discussions with you, you're unreasonable and contrary. You said he seems like a decent guy, do you know him? Have you met him? Have you had professional dealings with him? I have and I am not lying, I demand an apology. I stand by my claim that John Shimmin is a decent person who is in politics because he is a real Manxman and cares about the island.

You may be interested in this. (skip to about 10:50) although I would recommend the original book itself, Suicide of the West: An Essay on the Meaning and Destiny of Liberalism by James Burnham. The panel includes idiots -- e.g. the first speaker speaks against Burnham's book and claims communism isn't anti-western. Of course it is. It's internationalist and cultural marxism is clearly occidentalist. But he does make a few good points from 17:00 onward, e.g. on political correctness. When Americans say "liberalism" they mean left-wing marxism. REAL "liberalism" is something else entirely.

What allegations?

Well, I suppose that's better than having the (cl)app. I wouldn't know anything about that. I have standards.

You're a flat out liar. John Shimmin is a nice guy. It's the civil servants who are unethical and engage in bullying.

You didn't get to sponge off the Manx taxpayer by requesting financial assistance for something, so you badmouth the minister of the department on here. Is that what happened?

CR*P. Ok I read the Mail but I don't need the paper to know what my opinions are. Likewise with the biased left wing BBC. Did you get the idea that the BBC is left wing from the Daily Mail. If anything the BBC is so sensitive to this false idea that it is giving the right a free ride. There's a UKIP spokesman from Liverpool interviewed on practically every issue, if challenged he kicks off about bias. But politicians should be challenged. The BBC is not left wing or right wing, it's establishment wing.

I have the app.

I like John Shimmin. He seems a decent person and I believe he cares about the island.

If he's fishing around the Isle of Man, I'd advise him to buy a geiger counter. #Sellafield.

Isn't one of his sons trying to get it back That's an interesting point. Should a person inflict his or her prejudices upon his or her heirs and successors in perpetuity? That's the jist of the case ....he had no right & so on How can someone NOT have the right to give up THEIR OWN hereditary peerage? If what you say is true, the son inherits from his father, not his grandfather. If my father wasted my grandfather's money on drink, I can't retroactively go to the pub and claim back all the money. The same should apply to anyone trying to claim back a peerage.

Isn't one of his sons trying to get it back That's an interesting point. Should a person inflict his or her prejudices upon his or her heirs and successors in perpetuity? Yes, if his prejudice is to do away with idiotic things.

Taqiyya - it's permissible in Islam to lie through your teeth for propaganda and self-defence purposes. These spineless worm apologists who prance around claiming to be moderates are the worst of the lot. They are regularly on the TV talking a load of rubbish and speaking talking points that appeal to the braindead among us. They know most people are ignorant of Islam and they manipulate that by articulating a rose-tinted Walt Disney white-washed version of Islam that people will find amiable. Ask them what the punishment for apostasy is for in Islam and they will dance around it and if finally pushed they'll admit it's death but then they'll equivocate and say this is Britain and not an Islamic state and therefore it's irrelevant. As if. Their intention, indeed their duty as a Muslim, is to spread Islam to the four corners of the world. They pretend that sharia law only talks about their personal lifestyle or ethics and that the stuff about sharia law, totalitarian stuff like killing people for apostasy is just magically not part of the sharia law they believe in. As I said, a bunch of liars.