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  2. But not in isolation; they trade internationally and make accommodations with their trading partners. the UK cannot be self-sufficient. not without taking a serious dent in living standards that we've all become accustomed to.
  3. I'm asking the same question again because you're refusing to answer it; probably because you can't but I really do want to understand why you dislike the EU so much and in case you didn't read my post thoroughly and just went full-gammon after the first sentence I did actually ask a different question as you're struggling so much with naming laws you don't like. It is a question that cannot be answered because it is a step beyond where we are in the debate. How can I give you a list of EU laws I don't like when I do not accept the premise of an outside body legislating over a sovereign state in the first place? Asking how my independence of action has been affected is confusing the analogy, rendering your question meaningless. Sorry; your response is just prevarication and obfuscation; you can't name laws the UK Parliament has been forced to enact by the EU that you want to get rid of that will make the UK 'better' because there are non. You can't explain how the EU restricts your freedoms because it doesn't. I haven't confused any analogy; you're avoiding a question because to answer it you will either have to make-up something ridiculous or admit that the leave campaign was founded on smoke and mirrors and that you were sucked in by the snake oil merchants. Instead you patronisingly waffle about not understanding self-determination; I understand it; I also understand that I feel no more control over my governance with a bunch of over privileged morons in charge than a group of Europeans running the show. OK, so accept you understand it. In that case, like my good friend PK, you place no value on it which is far worse. You are effectively saying that we are incapable of clearing our our stable so let's have a foreign elite clique running the show instead. Perhaps you like the current clique, although they seem quite an unsavoury bunch. Future cliques? Maybe not so much? This is not just about Britain incidentally. I see the EU as just as dangerous to all of the European nations in which I spend a lot of time. But why? What has the EU done that is so bad? As far as I can see EU laws and regulations are aimed at easing trade and improving the standard of living of of people within the block. Again I say that deriding those of us genuinely concerned about the implications of brexit as 'project fear' whilst claiming that the EU is run by some sinister elite clique (of which I see no evidence like say; they were all in the same elitist club at Oxford perhaps?) and that they have some kind of evil master plan without actually detailing what this plan might be is contradictory and more than a little paranoid. I have the evidence of the last ten years to know that the UK is being run by an elitist clique hell bent on asset stripping the country to the benefit of them and their friends but I have no evidence that there is a corresponding plot at the head of the EU. Tell me why you're so frightened? Help me understand. I'm not asking trick questions.
  4. Sums things up more eloquently than my efforts. No modern nation can survive in isolation, ultimately the brexit question comes down to who you'd rather jump into bed with? I'd prefer to be an equal or possibly even a senior partner in Europe than a very junior partner in a trans-Atlantic trade alliance.
  5. Are we really? Do you understand the irony of dismissing people's genuine fears over brexit as 'project fear' and then scaremongering about a federated Europe? Do you believe the guff about the Eu army too?
  6. You're straying into Woody2 territory there with that abstruse response. I'm asking the same question again because you're refusing to answer it; probably because you can't but I really do want to understand why you dislike the EU so much and in case you didn't read my post thoroughly and just went full-gammon after the first sentence I did actually ask a different question as you're struggling so much with naming laws you don't like. Instead you patronisingly waffle about not understanding self-determination; I understand it; I also understand that I feel no more control over my governance with a bunch of over privileged morons in charge than a group of Europeans running the show. I just don't understand why it's so important to you; I really don't understand what the EU has forced on the UK that makes people want to leave and lose the benefits of membership. The fact that you think you have no human rights without the EU tells us everything we need to know. What does it tell 'us'?
  7. You've just described national government, local government and every professional body in existence; we always have and always will be governed by 'superior' authorities which leads to the only possible conclusion that your objection to the EU is due to the presence of Johnny Foreigner within the legislature. I have no objection to the EU directing my life as I quite like having human rights, cleaner air and limitations on the hours I can be made to work; all three of which I have severe concerns for if the current shower in government maintain control post brexit. The question is neither spurious nor disingenuous; and I have yet to hear anyone provide an example of a law that the UK has been forced to enact that they really want to see repealed. taking back control of our laws was one of the cornerstones of the leave argument but no one can provide me of an example of an actual piece of legislation that they want to be rid of. If you still refuse to name me a law then how about this; you state that the EU controls 'your freedom to act independently'. how has your freedom to act independently suffered? what can't you do now that you look forward to doing come brexit?
  8. Do you just make this nonsense up or do you get it from one of you incell forums?
  9. Yes it did. I’m afraid denying facts because they don’t serve your narrative won’t wash. The answer you’re looking for is that the government changed the document because they know that for ministers to continue to support no deal as an option despite their own departments predicting it will be a disaster will make said ministers look like fools.
  10. What has happened since the mid-August leak that has changed Yellowhammer from base case to worst case?
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