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  1. On 3/24/2022 at 7:44 PM, TheTeapot said:

    I pointed out that electing Glover was pointless cos we already had one MHK who asked shit questions and would likely get back in, and that we didn't need another.

    Slate Moorehouse all you want, but at least he isn't completely bland, wet, soft, just completely uninspired

    With Glover you get two for the price of one. ”The lovely Jane Glover MBE” contributes to and supports his facebook posts. 

    The 25th MHK. 

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  2. 33 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

    The proceedings started 26th Jan and the link says that additional documents were still being submitted throughout the proceedings. 

    I wonder if the delay was because the docs are now with Manx Care?

    I remember at the PAC hearings DA talking about bundles of documents still to be supplied as they now sit with Manx Care.

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  3. 55 minutes ago, rachomics said:

    Don't believe the Manx Radio take on my evidence session.

    My witness statement and evidence was in three parts: 1. The science that I carried out during my time at the DHSC which proves one of Dr. Ranson's whistleblowing claims; 2. The occasions I met Dr. Ranson during my time at the DHSC, and 3. My experience of the DHSC. 

    For some reason, Manx Radio concentrated only on the first 2 minutes of my 60 minute evidence session regarding a tweet put forward by the DHSC as "proof" that I should be personally discredited in order to discredit my science.

    I wonder why the DHSC would want me to be discredited given the science is empirical and has no opinion, just data 🤔

    I think MR did mention some examples of your experience with DHSC (but I am sure you had plenty more!)

    There sure are some powerful, unnamed individuals at the DHSC.

    If it weren’t so serious it would make a good TV series. 

  4. 1 hour ago, Gladys said:

    I have to say, in defence, that the minutes could have been prepared based on contemporaneous handwritten notes just that they hadn't been typed up.

    The problem with that is that the handwritten notes will inevitably be in the author's shorthand and may not carry the nuance of the actual meeting. So, are they reliable?

    Not best practice by any stretch, but not quite the same as falsifying a document.  

    Perhaps what happened was the clerk of the meeting took notes but didn't type them up. If that was the case, you would either produce the handwritten notes, heavily caveated that they were exactly what they were and not seen or confirmed by the attendees, or you say there are no approved minutes of the meeting.


    Thanks, that’s certainly a feasible possibility. 

    But, does the CS still have clerks to do minutes and why were they never written up. 

    In any case, the clerk could confirm that her shorthand had been correctly transcribed (presumambly only she or another clerk could type them up?)


  5. 10 minutes ago, Gladys said:

    Very good point.  It would also be good if a directive went out to the IT staff not to tamper with any of the network data and to report immediately if requested to do so.

    I should imagine the AG's office is feeling pretty pissed off at the moment. 

    Unless it was a highly sophisticated IT hack, it should be easy to check against backups and/or see when the latest version was saved on the current drive. Or even indeed if the version presented to the tribunal matches that backed up. 


    I would have thought 🤔

  6. 14 minutes ago, Gladys said:

    So, James Boyd reminded the panel that the case was not about the government's handling of the pandemic but about the decision not to move Dr R to Manx Care.

    From what has been covered in the press, no one is really looking at the handling of the pandemic, but the handling of a senior professional in the DHSC. 

    What an odd thing to say, or be picked up as significant by the reporter.

    One thought … because Dr Glover was also interviewed in relation to her struggles to get her views/recommendations heard by those making decisions,  and people automatically think pandemic….?

  7. 2 hours ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

    Bloomin 'eck! If the dhsc did concoct the minutes, why didn't they think of altering the meta data? Arrogance? Incompetence? Or a bit of both?

    Be good if specific names were ultimately revealed rather than tarnishing the whole DHSC with the same brush 

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  8. 1 hour ago, 2112 said:

    You have forgotten that the ones who caused the issue, was one who came up with an amendment. To me it’s a case of look at me, I’m solving an issue which didn’t need dealing with, and I can safely tell my constituents of all the good things I’m doing. It will go well with Christmas 2022 card to the good folk in Douglas South. 

    April can’t come soon enough then these minstrels will soon know what’s hit them - cost of living, increased fuel charges, increased VAT, NI increase etc etc. Never mind the answers……….. What’s the question?

    If it wasn’t placed on the Order Paper then there wouldn’t be an Amendment. 

    You should be asking where it was on the Order Paper. 

  9. 5 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

    Yeah, right? We'll never get those couple of hours back from something that has generated more polarised public opinion than I can ever remember.

    More public interest and engagement than the Island plan!!

  10. 4 hours ago, Gladys said:

    I am still trying to work out why she should crawl back under her stone.  When she came out from under the stone she set up the island testing facility.  What we don't know it what happened subsequently to trigger the animosity. Seeing some of the other doctor's allegations, it does seem that being outside of the DHSC clique is not a nice place to be.

    Who is the DHSC clique though, given that there seems to be such a high turnover at the senior mgt team level?

    If the senior team was a constant I could better understand. Or is it typical behaviour of CS leaders 🤔

  11. 2 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

    This really is institutional rather than to do with any elected leaders. 

    And seems not limited to the Manx CS, given the key player (who remained in England) and the main cast of the production have moved over recently or the last few years.

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  12. 8 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

    I’m not so sure with hindsight. Neither of them acted like grown ups but I think I now believe Ashford (who is weak let’s face it) was tricked into reading the letter by someone high up in the DHSC and then bottled it and destroyed it when he realized he’d been had. But that let the genie out of the bottle and she is clearly the type who goes on the rampage when threatened. Whoever set it up was quite clever though. And I’d guess it’s one of the three main ladies who are now behaving like tramps fighting over a bag of chips.

    Everytime I heard Ms Magson speak she really drilled the team work culture they wanted to instill. 

    The letter was very much on that theme. 

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  13. 14 minutes ago, WTF said:

    ash hole started it all, still no sign of a  point by point rebuttal, but you can't really rebut the truth can you,,  if you kick something  expect it to bite back . Glover was dismissed by the know all's and shit on and quite rightly is still snapping her way along.

    He said after the PAC there would be no rebuttal. He felt that he had given all the evidence.

    Like it or not that’s what he said. 

    No point still bringing it up 6 months later. Same strategy as Dr G. 

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  14. 8 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

    Because someone has a first from Oxford does not mean that that are competent outside their sphere of knowledge.

    Years ago when a degree was unusual and a first anywhere was stratospheric, I knew someone who was a double first at either Oxford or Cambridge. I do not recall which, nor the subjects. I knew him socially, and in day-to-day life he was useless. He also played french horn in an orchestra. Smart in certain subjects, but most of the time useless.

    So she has an MBA. Robin Bromley Martin has an MBA - from Insead.

    I can judge Bromley Martin's MBA competence from the documentation he has produced for Ramsey Marina.

    I can also form an opinion about Magson's personality from the first paragraph of her self-description on LinkedIn. Jeez, how can anyone seriously write that stuff. Can you imagine anyone going into The Trafalgar and spouting that nonsense. "I know how to make bold decisions. I'm going to order a pint of mild".

    Jeez. This thread is depressing.

    Sorry I ventured in. Over and out 🍻

  15. 30 minutes ago, Gladys said:

    Clever and good at the job are not quite the same. 

    Of course, but a good education must be a reasonable  platform. 

    What makes a good Hospital CEO? 

    - I thought experience would be one critical factor. And she had been doing a similar role previously? 


  16. 52 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

    That's a bit rich, considering you would be lucky to find any gov. manager in the DoI (for example) who is up to the job.

    Magson has a degree in music followed by 15 years working in a bank - then somehow became head of a health service somewhere. So was she up to the job when switching industries? OK, so the answer is that Ranson is a technical person and is capable of being incompetent. Magson is a manager and is therefore indisputably competent in banking, health, nuclear power plants and any other industry.

    To be fair, she has an MBA also.

    And the first degree was from Oxford so she must be quite good 🍻

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  17. 1 hour ago, Banker said:

    Looks like Juan is leading a southern revolution against Alf as all MHKS south of fairy bridge voted against!

    He’s another one whose wife is on his fb page supporting him.

    If it was a husband writing to support his politician wife, then it would attract all sorts of sexism comments.

  18. 2 hours ago, Will Halsall said:

    Hahaha, tickled me that.

    I followed that little spat and thought KLB was rather priggish personally.

    What amused me was how quickly the Krankies got in on the act by commenting on Jason's post in unison. Tim Glover let everyone know that he deserved adulation for standing up to Alf, and his wife reminded us that we have 2 ears and a mouth (there is a Foxdale gag in there), and that it's a democracy.

    Tbf, I think on this rare occasion Jason has the moral high ground, and KLB comes across as a sanctimonious cow! Somewhere in THE PLAN, I am sure I saw something about engaging with members and the public, taking on board everyone's views - It makes me wonder if KLB has actually read THE PLAN herself or if she is just firing bullets for Alf 🤔

    Behind every good Chuckle Brother there is a wife. Making it clear who is pulling the strings and who wears the shoes.

  19. 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

    Moorhouse had the prize already (just) - he managed to beat Hooper in the last Tynwald by 769 to 758.  Edge was a respectable third (634).  Of course Glover was literally paid to ask questions of politicians before he was elected, so you would expect him to continue doing so (which isn't to say he's good at it).

    Both Edge and Hooper need to be careful about becoming too enthusiastic about defending their Departments - especially over historic decisions they had nothing to do with.  Civil servants won't hesitate to drop them in it if it saves their own skin and the information they get from them may be 'filtered' at best.  To some extent this may already have happened to Edge over the flumes and Hooper should realise that his relationship with Manx Care is more complicated than that of Minister and Department.

    Didn’t Jason hold the record at one point in the last Keys for fewest (or even zero) questions asked at one point?

    The lad has certainly came over his stage fright…..he’s on fire 🔥  No question, no matter how irrelevant, off limits!

  20. 9 minutes ago, 0bserver said:

    Seems understandable if the Chuckle Brothers didn't contribute anything to the process. 


    Respect to KLB 👍👍👍

    The Chuckle Brothers … I like it 🤪👍🥳

  21. 3 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

    Not Ashford's style quite possibly Hooper. When Hooper buys into something he goes balls deep.

    Of course it could just have been Crookall trying to make conversation and Glover misinterpreting Crookall's normal volume for shouting.

    It is quite surprising (or, of course, probably not 😎) that two of the last Government’s biggest critics (LH and JE) are now two of the greatest defenders as Ministers. 

    Mssrs Moorhouse and Glover seem to have taken on those roles. Who can ask the most Questions. 

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