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  1. 18 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    So some Omicron cases in Scotland are not travel related, ergo it's circulating in the community. It's probably been in in the community for a long time hence the still high levels of cases across the UK.

    Late September / early October was suggested in the Science article shared yesterday for when omicron came into circulation.

    I guess it started flying to international destinations quite soon after. 


  2. 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    There'll be many, many more cases popping up over the next few weeks. The SA GP in question operates a private clinic and so it's only her patients that are getting tested. There'll be many millions more who don't have access to private primary care walking around with this new variant.

    31 and counting cases landed at Schipol yesterday. 



  3. 5 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

    “more time is needed before we know the seriousness of the disease for vulnerable people” the main issue still seems to be immuno compromised people which isn’t surprising given the general HIV rate in Africa.

    … and healthy, vaccinated people appear to get only mild, but different, symptoms and recover quickly (albeit only low numbers and males).

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  4. 31 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

    I’d speculate that the reason for said hype is we’ve all learnt what happens with a new variant when it gets a foothold. 

    By taking sensible precaution quickly, we can give the scientists the weeks they need to ascertain what is actually going on. 


    The scientific theories at the moment suggest that transmissibility will be much higher, because some of the mutations we have seen before, in more transmissible variants. They need to actually test that for real, which takes time.

    Vaccine companies have already said that within a matter of months, they can be distributing a tweaked formula against a changed spike. Nobody sensible is saying this is the second apocalypse.  

    Thank for sharing the article. Very balanced. 

    Agree a proportionate response might be called for at this time, but calls for locking borders, banning all international travel and wfh isn’t in my mind (things I have read today, not necesaarily related to IoM). 

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  5. 25 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

    She hasn’t said that in any article I can find.

    The closest to your quote I can find is below. Note she says unknown. She also says that half were vaccinated and most were men under 40. Yet they’d all come into her care. 

    Politically, SA feel very put out and as though they are being punished for their transparency by travel bans. 



    It was a quote from LBC Radio where she was interviewed this morning, which I admit I didn’t hear, so could have been paraphrased. 

    I did find this in the Guardian, however

    It’s all speculation at this stage. It may be it’s highly transmissible, but so far the cases we are seeing are extremely mild,” she said. “Maybe two weeks from now I will have a different opinion, but this is what we are seeing. So are we seriously worried? No. We are concerned and we watch what’s happening. But for now we’re saying, ‘OK: there’s a whole hype out there. [We’re] not sure why.’”

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  6. 36 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

    We can actually find the source where she talks to the press about it. 


    She has only said that in young healthy people, the effects seemed minor so far. She herself said she’s worried about people outside that group. Especially the unvaccinated. 


    Very reassuring isn’t it that healthy people are only seeing mild effects. And the message remains the same, elderly, immunosuppresed and unvaccinated are at risk. 

    Why does she see other countries panicking unnecessarily?

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  7. 8 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

    So nearly 2 years into this disaster and we identify a new strain of concern in a particular part of the world. The UK imposes restrictions on travel from some countries and implements an isolate and test regime for anyone entering the country from outside the CTO, and additionally announce masks becoming compulsory again in England.

    Meanwhile IOMG arrange lots of meeting and do nothing to either take temporary measures while they get a handle on things or to calm the nerves of those who panic.

    IOMG allow 21 people recently returned from SA to crack on as normal and visit packed pubs, clubs, theatres and workplaces.

    Surely with 2YEARS to plan for this inevitable development there is a clear roadmap of steps and actions to be taken that could have been implemented?  Pre written public statements etc.  A simple procedure to be followed in the event a new variant of concern rears its head and simple actions we take?  Surely there is a pre written plan and messaging to the public should the UK ever reimplement mask wearing?

    There was a UK briefing last night.  They should have had a plan in place that means local guidance is published within a couple of hours of the UK making any changes.

    TWO FU****G YEARS!!!

    Incidentally, I couldn’t care less and just want to live my life, but I understand others are very nervous and need to feel the gov are on top of things and have a plan in place.  An announcement and clear guidance on what they are doing in response last night would have led people to feel like it was in hand and under control.

    It is piss poor communication and planning AGAIN.  It doesn’t even have to be about what the message is.  It’s just about getting a message out quickly and clearly and instilling confidence in people.

    The South African Doctor who roses the bell on this new variant has been interviewed this morning by the British press.

    Symptoms: intense fatigue and high pulse rate.

    Symptoms were so different and SO MILD from those she had treated beofre she says. All the patients she had treated were recovering well. 

    I read somewhere that she couldn’t understand the international response ”panicking unnecessarily”.

  8. 1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said:

    Until hetty appears at the lectern to inform me that this variant is called omicron, and it's called omicron because we name these things after letters of the greek alphabet, then i'm going to reserve judgement. There's just not enough information as yet

    The Belgium case with omicron was an unvaccinated young woman returning from South Africa. 

    ETA: now reported she has never been to South Africa 🤷‍♂️

  9. 8 hours ago, James Blonde said:

    The South African Health Minister has said there is no evidence that it evades the vaccines at this stage. 


    Not that it will change Dr Doom and their Merry Men.

    Chris Witty has also referred to the alarmist warmings as simply speculation as the variant has only spread in very small numbers. 

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  10. 9 hours ago, Roxanne said:

    That’s some CV. At first I thought it was an inside job but that woman has skills. 

    What on earth is a ‘sandwich’ year? 

    When you spend a year of your degree working, for example at industry, or studying, for example at an overseas university. 


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  11. 5 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

    Austria, Germany, the Czech Republic (with others to follow) are imposing medicinal apartheid on their citizens. Remain unvaccinated & be banished to your homes forever. It's actually incredible.

    Their infection rates are rising despite efficient vaccination programmes.

    We let the virus rip it's way through the Island and continue to do so without any form of mitigation yet the bodies aren't piling up like the doom coven predicted.


    Two helicopters on standby in August to transfer critical ICU patients to other hospitals when Nobles couldn’t cope was the recommendation from the Mathematician 🤷‍♂️

  12. 4 minutes ago, Danoo said:

    The psychology is pretty easy to understand.

    Some people who post under their real names, like Wrighty and John Wright, are well balanced posters who offer decent contributions.

    Others come across as mad as a box of frogs and a little unhinged, so they get treated as such. 

    It doesn’t take a psychologist to conclude what the issue is here.


     t think parts of the GMP are to blame. Normally Manx crabs would be at play, but here they have put Dr G on a pedastal, asked her opinion and taken everything she has said as gospel. We know SAGE is comprised of scientists from many different backgorunds and Vallance had to make a best judgement based on often opposing views. The scientific understanding was rapidly evolving and each country took a different approach to dealing with the virus. Parts of the GMP could not use their objectivity and see there was no text book solution. 

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  13. 4 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

    Why do you need to be contacted of you already know you have been close to a case ffs?

    We are all close to people who would test positive if tested all the time.  Get over it and take responsibility for yourselves.

    Don’t tell us……go tell them on Twitter 🤪😎🥳


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  14. 3 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

    I don’t really do Twitter so just looked t the last few people responding to the health minister.

    Wow!  These people can not be leading very fulfilling lives right now.  There is a bloke stressing that if they don’t do boosters between Xmas and New Year that some people will have been six months and a few days since their second jab and could overwhelm the hospital.

    If it’s the rant I seen (was actually a woman), Lawrie but her firmly in place.

    The guy has gone up in my estimations 😎

  15. 3 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:


    I am no fan of Hooper in general, but he is bang on with this one.  I one hope his colleagues back him up and don’t try and use it as a stick to beat him with.

    I still think he will be the first to be fired though 😂

    I wasn’t, but impressed how he put a woman in her place on twitter when she was trying to create an issue over having to wait an (allegedly) extra month for her booster because the vaccination centre would be closed for a few days over Christmas. 

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  16. 12 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

    I'm still gob smacked that IOMG (and to a certain extent Dr. Glover) didn't/couldn't/wouldn't see the value of genomics as a lever to expand/develop the bioscience sector. Spectacular own goals at both end of the field.

    If nothing else it could have been good PR for the Island. 



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  17. 6 minutes ago, quilp said:

    I wonder which appointments raise questions, and why RC thinks so. 

    Allison and Hooper who voted for Allison? ie supported a different vision to Alf.

  18. 50 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:

    Certainly Ms Edge is now - was she before she voted for Cannan and joined his government?

    I haven’t personally seen anything to suggest she was pro Cannan, other than voting for him as CM.


    I really thought she would have been behind someone not in the last CoMan.

    ETA: now seen Ham n Eggs informed response. 

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