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  1. I accept your point, but just because some are crap, doesn't mean all new circuits are notliked - India's Buddh circuit was called 'awesome' (Rosberg), 'fantasitc' (Hamilton) and 'great fun' (Button), while the Circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas, was 'spectacular' (Alonso), 'a great driver's track' (Hamilton) and 'fun' (Webber). Then there's Motorland Aragon, which the bike guys seem to like. My point is, you can't say a new track will definitely not be different enough to bring interest before anyone has even drawn a pencil map on the back of a beer mat. Or you could ask someone like Eddie Irvine, whose favourite corner at Magny Cours was "the left turn out of the paddock on the way to the airport". They all say nice things for the PR people, but that doesn't make any of the circuits you named their favourite or anything like it. Once again, you knew that already, didn't you. Angels on a pinhead, and it doesn't change the fact that a modern-spec race track of ANY design could not have enough differences built in to make it worth the extra time and money spent on getting here, as many others have pointed out far more eloquently than I have. There is, therefore, no point in building such a circuit (even if we could afford it, see above) and all discussions of this nature are pie in the sky. Monorail, anyone?
  2. That seems like such a simple and sensible idea. Is that why it was discounted by Our Leaders, or is it possible none of them ever thought of it, or realised its significance?.
  3. Doesn't that depend on what is built? There isn't even a proposal, and you've already dimissed the non-existent track as no better than any other... As any of the road race fans on here will glady tell you, H&E overload means that modern circuits are built to rules and standards which enforce a degree of sameness. Some are better than others (usually the ones with big elevation changes, which kind of rules out Jurby) but the modern-era tracks are widely regarded as less exciting than the old-school circuits. No F1 driver would name Malaysia as his favourite track - but they'll go on about Suzuka and Spa all day long. You knew that as well. If all you want is an argument over semantics then I believe Richard Baxter's discussion about the number of angels which can sit on the head of a pin (The Reasons of the Christian Religion, 1667) should keep you entertained for years.
  4. You were doing well until you said, it was hard to argue, but if you think 'fans' think Brands Hatch and Oulton Park are the same thing, or Silverstone and Snetterton, or Knockhill and Rockingham, you clearly have little idea what you are talking about. Not 100 per cent sure you know what you're trying to say with this, but I think you're suggesting I believe that there is no difference between Brands Hatch and Silverstone, etc, when compared to each other, whereas the point I was making is that a closed circuit on the Isle of Man will not be sufficiently different to all the other race tracks in the Uk to make it worth the extra time, cost and effort in getting here. But you knew that really, didn't you.
  5. mttv are claiming one million views, I wonder how many of those were failed / abandoned attempts to load the content. They don't seem to have any advertisers as those who have tried it once don't repeat which speaks volumes. Hits and views aren't the same as viewers, and there may be some confusion between hits on mt website and mttv since it seems you have to go through one to get to the other. Plus you're competing for the same ad budget as manx radio, 3fm and energy. TVIM seems to have proved conclusively that the only people who want to watch manx politicians on tv are in fact, manx politicians
  6. for reference There's a huge difference between every other race track in the UK and here - 60 miles of water and the cost of crossing it. Even with a massively bigger captive audience British circuits are struggling to make ends meet. Mallory Park has just been shut down by noise protesters because it relied on weekday track testers for its existence - occasional weekends of racing simply aren't enough to pay the bills. So the big problem is access, followed by interest. In a small island next to a bigger one where access is expensive and interest not enough to sustain the circuits they've got, building a race track here would be a bigger waste of money than anything that has happened at the airport. And even assuming we overcame those issues, where would all these lovely tourists sleep? Most circuits thrive on local populations who drive down for the day, some making quite long journeys. But with motorways a long trip to a race track is feasible in a day. Just the time taken to use the ferry prohibits that, never mind the extra cost, plus the necessity to stay overnight. Anyone in the Northwest of England and SW Scotland can wake up on a sunny Sunday and think "I'll go to Oulton Park after all". No-one can consider that at Jurby or wherever you choose to build the circuit. Mondello Park has no relevance to Jurby either. The population of Ireland is more than 5 million and they could all drive there if they wanted. The popularity of the Island in rallying is dependent on the fact that no other roads in the UK are as bumpy and difficult; a posh race track would be the same as any other, and thus have no similar degree of individual appeal. And then there are the hotels. Or rather, there aren't. The place filled up during the rally, and a full-on visit from BSB or BTCC would overwhelm us. They probably won't go for the idea of homestay or camping when they compare it to lovely big hotels round Donington, Silverstone and Brands Hatch. And the new Circuit of Wales is going to struggle with all this even though Cardiff is 25 miles away, Birmingham 100 and London 150 - easy reach of big audiences. We really need to think about these things from a more realistic point of view.
  7. I was amazed at the popularity of the recent Rally IOM. There were teams from all over the world. It gives me every reason to believe in the "Build it and they will come" cliché in this circumstance. There is a certain element of that Cambon, but correctly marketed and run with links to the TT, it would succeed. The island has a unique place in motorcycling and indeed motor racing history!If the worst should happen, there is still the option to run parades and festivals on the Mountain Circuit while racing on the purpose built track. We would need things like the long awaited TT/Motorsport museum to enhance our offering, but the islands tourism future could be quite rosy with a bit of imagination. Sadly it will take more than imagination and a bit of wishful thinking.
  8. I'm always amused when I read all this stuff about the huge TV rights income from which the TT is going to benefit as soon as it cracks the BRIC market with a franchised product. First of all, only a few things attract big money in the TV Sports marketing world, and they're mostly stick and ball. Road Racing is a minority sport. The reason it's a minority sport is that not many people are interested in doing it or watching it - ie when compared to just about any other kind of sport. It sits pretty much on a level with other kinds of motorsport in this respect. The reason Formula One is the exception that makes everyone think there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow can be expressed in two words, as many other have already pointed out in this thread, and those two words are Bernie Ecclestone. I've lost count of the number of people who have promised the earth and tried to copy his model without the major ingredient necessary to make it work, and the number who failed to notice that it took Bernie twenty years to make Formula One into what it is. If you look at his moves you'll see that his major tactic (aside from his brilliant negotiating and finely-tuned gambling skills) was the ruthless extermination of all and any rivals. He did this by taking control of all the FIA world championships and running them into the ground - World Rally, and World Sportscars especially, giving sponsors and car makers no other showcase for their wares. Now it's true that MotoGP and World SuperBike are both presently on very shaky ground, but they're unlikely to take a dive any time soon, which means a TT World Series would have to beat them on level terms for the shrinking pot of sponsorship and manufacturer spend which they are currently facing. It seems unlikely that bike makers will defect to a road-race series en masse; motorcycles have a problematic road safety image as it is and the EU has already spoken about trying to ban them entirely. And there's no escape from a that in a racing series that comes with a legacy of outdated safety standards and an appalling death rate. The Southern has just underlined that fact in a dreadful, terrible way. We're lucky that no-one outside the IoM knows very much about that - because whoever remarked on the outcry at the death of a horse or two at the Grand National was right - people outside road racing don't approve of organised carnage any more. The only ray of hope for the TT World Series appears to be that the risk element will give it a degree of attractiveness which transcends its position as a third-level bike race and it becomes a parody of all those gloomy films - Rollerball, or Running Man. But on the other hand, give me eighty grand, and I'll write you a report that says just the opposite, and hope to get taken on as the series merchandiser, with a nice big contract at twenty per cent.
  9. Never mind horde, Also artifacts (which is American spelling) and broach, which isn't the same as the Viking brooch that was discovered in the horde. Spellcheckers are so easy to use. There is no reason for halfwits to foist bad spelling onto their readers when they're being paid to do the job properly.
  10. Not surprised - I used this when I was over a week ago, at best 1/3rd full. Not surprised it was only a third full. Last couple of times I've looked at booking, it was more expensive that Flybe and a lot less convenient in terms of onward connections.
  11. Keep taking the medication and get well soon buddy I'm happy to accept criticism, could you let me know how this wouldn't work becasue the 30mph's would still be hoplding up the 40 mph's in 30 limits. it would just wind up the 40 mph's more because instead of whining but having to accept the vehicles in front is doing the speed limit and i shouldn't be going faster anyway? they are now going 'slow', AND holding me up because i can legally go faster!! i gripe myself sometimes about it but knowing they are obeying the law puts me in check and points out that i'm in the wrong, i don't really speedo watch and can find myself doing 40 in the 30 quite easily becasue the vehicle is barely ticking over. i did think it was a good idea, but upon reflection it would add issues. i'd rather see limits to how fast people can go in unrestricted zones based on experience etc. a bit like what R plates are supposed to do but don't a lot of the time. a restriction on BHP per tonne for R plates would help ( i got passed by a scooby on R plates a while back and i was doing 70 ish ) but maybe other plate types? but at the lower end of things rather than plates to show you can drive faster than posted limits. that said, all the breaking distance figures and distances and speed limits are the same as they were when cars couldn't accelerate or more importantly slow down as well as they can today. and also cars are more pedestrian friendly ( not that hitting people is a good idea anyway ) our reaction times i expect to be about the same, but stopping distances must be shorter with modern cars and modern tyres?? in this day and age cars could have GPS monitered governors fitted that automatically keep you within speed limits anyway, or atleast sound a buzzer ( like seat belt warnings ) to tell you that you're speeding. my tom tom turns the speed indicator red when it knows i'm speeding, but no noise from it. I believe that a while ago Top Gear put the stopping-distance thing to the test with old vs new and unsurprisngly, modern tyres and brakes pretty much halved the official figures. A lot of modern cars have a speed alert built into the on-board computer, so it can buzz at 30 and 50 and again at 70. useful reminder if you're just drifting along in traffic, as we all tend to keep pace with the car in front rather than drive to the speed lmit.
  12. Sadly some of us have to fly for business. Boat and train are not a viable option in terms of journey duration and the enforced overnight stay each way because of that. Now we can look forward to Squeezy doing one flight a day to Gatwick (the only destination that counts for business and onward travel), which means an overnight stay in each direction anyway, equals two days extra lost from the office,, so a one-day trip now becomes the best part of a week. Not viable. Plus the increased cost of two hotel nights means the total price of travel is easily double what we're paying Flybe at the moment for flights that are at least convenient if nothing else. Plus Squeezy is hardly going to charge 25 quid each way IOM-LGW when it has the route to itself, so we'll be looking at one flight a day for £150, which Flybe has proved the market will stand, PLUS the extra hotel nights, PLUS the inconvenience of two extra days away from the office. If Flybe doesn't announce a really good alternative airport pdq, there's going to be a queue for that boat in the morning, It'll be the only way to get off the Island and everyone with business in the UK and beyond is going to have little choice but relocate.
  13. Yes, it is selfish to not tolerate other road users. Not sure that horses qualify as road users in the same way as people who pay road tax. And definitely not sure they should be allowed on main roads at busy times. Can't help thinking that they should be kept off the road at certain times, and if the owners aren't smart enough to work that out then maybe it should be a legally enforceable thing. Trouble is, too many of them think that because they're on something without an engine they're entitled to privileges which don't apply to the rest of us. Rather like cyclists who think red lights don't count if you shave your legs and wear skin-tight lycra, or that riding slowly in great big bunches is a way of teaching motorists how to behave.
  14. Too late. Mrs Rotten had to come to dead halt at Glen Helen today because some twat on a motorcycle was on the wrong side of the road and caning it towards Cronk y Voddy. I only hope that when nobbers like that arrive at the scene of their inevitable accident they have it alone, and don't pile in through the windscreen and hurt innocent people.
  15. I do hope you don't work in the media where accuracy is supposed to be essential. That's the second time you've 'agreed' with something that I didn't actually say. My objection is isn't to Manx Radio copying the programming of the BBC (if only), but its management structure and attitudes. There's a sense in which a station as small as Manx Radio can't afford any management - except for an admin/accountancy clerk or so, you would expect everyone working there to be at least part-time broadcasters or newsgatherers. Again, judging from the figures, the problem with Sales is to do with costs associated with obtaining the sales (plus high overheads already discussed), perhaps also due to an unsuitable hierarchical structure. But if those costs were cut back - perhaps with little loss of sales then Manx Radio would have the money to do more. Now I do realise that there are those on the Island who would like to see Manx Radio do even less and do what remains even less critically. There are a lot of people around who feel that any scrutiny of their actions is impertinent and that the role of the media should be to surround their actions in a warm cloud of adoration. Unfortunately many of such people are in Tynwald or advising them and Manx Radio has suffered a gradual reduction in its subsidy. . Apart from anything else the way in which the amount is decided on every year (unlike say the BBC where the amount is set separately for a number of years ahead) and not even discussed as a separate item means that the station can be under constant political pressure from those who actually set the amount. There has been a complete failure of governance with neither the outside Directors nor the Trustees standing up to defend the station from this death by starvation (strange that the muscle goes before the fat). The suggestion that a DED member could intervene to insist on who should act as a TT presenter only illustrates the lack of independence that has resulted. Imagine the outrage (and derision) if a UK Minister interfered to decide who should present Match of the Day. Forgive me. "tries to be the same" and "copying the management structure and attitudes" obviously have entirely separate meanings. Next time, let me know if we're going to be weighing every single word and phrase in the balance of intense scrutiny, and I'll try to be more explicit. Meanwhile, I'll just carry on dashing it off quickly in between working for a living. Goodness, maybe I'm ill-informed.
  16. I don't think it's quite the point I've been making. If you cut the ads you'd have to increase the subvention - just by not as much as people might think and perhaps it's a option to operate a different ad-free but more expensive model. That's a decision for Tynwald to make - you would hope with a wider public input. Alternatively the Sales Department should slim down (from the top not the bottom) and operate more efficiently, rather than spending a lot of money and time chasing a small amount of extra available revenue. Similarly there are savings to be made by cutting back in the admin, but there still needs to be some done. Part of the problem isn't so much entitlement but what you might call "nation-itis" - the belief that because the Island is a separate country (sort of), we should have the same bureaucratic superstructure as larger nations[1]. So Manx Radio is the "national" broadcaster and needs to be set up and run in the same way as the BBC despite being a tiny fraction of the size. But all these savings would do would be restore the money that has been taken from what Manx Radio really should be doing, which is supplying news and other programming. I read somewhere earlier that advertising contributes c£250k to the bottom line in real terms. Which sounds like four big salaries. Without looking at the staff roster I bet that's easily possible to cut. Then we have an ad-free Manx Radio and we haven't increased the subvention by a single penny. Completely agree with you about the way MR tries to be the same as the BBC, which is a waste of time and money and impossible to achieve. This is the Isle of Man, not Westminster. There are more than enough genuinely Manx topics to cover without trying to do our own Panorama, World at One, etc, etc. And they don't all require BBC levels of budget.
  17. I think that sums up the problem of the MR sense of entitlement. And I think it illustrates the point everyone has been making, which is simple enough: Cut the ads, cut the back office staff, reduce the subvention, maintain audience. Most logical thought processes end up with that conclusion. The ones that don't are mostly the ones that begin with the assumption that Manx Radio can't be changed because .... it's Manx Radio.
  18. No. And you're still a twat. Oh dear I like that. Maybe you're not.
  19. Well said, DD, I would like to see the TV guys doing live coverage and a commentary to match. We need to move with the times, radio worked back in the day because there was no other option. I dont think that radio would have been adopted in the first place if TV was do-able back then so all power to North One, their TV coverage is very professional and well done, it helps make the TT better and brings it to a wider audience. I said it last year and I will say it again; the grandstands that have been erected around the course at good vantage points are a start but imagine if you could sit in one of those grandstands and at the opposite side of the circuit was a huge monitor showing the race around the course live? (with a little delay to allow the cutting of bad accidents, as for the feed, AFAIK there is MT fibre optic cables running around most of the TT Course, except the mountain, so getting the feed to the sites would not be impossible) That would be a really good day out with a bit of hospitality thrown into the ticket price it would take off I am sure, corporate entertainment budgets may not run to the Paddock Club at Silverstone anymore post 2008 but they might just run to something like that which could be argued is far more exciting first hand anyway. I know this will not please the sit in a hedge brigade but it takes all sorts to make things work well and make money these days. No reason why the above should stop anyone sitting in a hedge, its a free country but a paid for option to upgrade your experience is a choice that some people would like too. Oh dear. Where to start? It's a bit like the monorail, live TV. Possible, but not plausible unless there is the will to throw a huge sum of money in that general direction. We're already spending half a million a year on the TV as it is. Do we want to chuck in another million on top? In order to make certain the sit in the hedge brigade sits at home and watches it on TV? Will a TV broadcaster allocate a whole day of scheduling to fog on the mountain while we all sit around waiting for one cloud to blow away? And then have to apologise to advertisers when they're sponsoring a race with a serious accident involved? I'm sure MT will donate the fibres, anyway. It's not as if it's a profit-making organisation, after all. As for NO bringing it to a wider audience - don't believe everything you hear from Government PR. It used to be seen by more people on more stations in the UK and worldwide than it ever is now. The Southern 100 gets a bigger audience than the TT. So do the NW200 and the Ulster. But Greenlight's only a local company and lacks the glamour and hospitality of those big London organisations. Edit: spelling cocke-up
  20. OMG! That was so funny! I'm still laughing! Really, though, how did you know it was me? I've only just finished being Juan Turner. Twat.
  21. Well why don't you pop along and do it then, help us all out. Won't take much of your time, and I'm sure you can get off work when necessary. Or give up your weekends. Hooray. Easy, innit.
  22. I think it would be a very big mistake to assume that anyone in favour of 3FM/Energy or in any way non-critical of their proposal must be an employee. Apart from anything else, most of the arguments against seem to be centred on the fact that they employ hardly anyone at all.
  23. I'm not much of a TT fan and I'm certainly not a fan of Manx Radio's current over-paid, over-staffed and under-performing management, but this is grotesque. What we have here (allegedly) is a member of the government intervening to insist on the employment of a particular broadcaster. It is none of his business who Manx Radio use. The whole point of a publicly financed broadcaster such as Manx Radio is that they are supposed to operate at arms length from the government. Otherwise they lose all credibility. If this is true, the Directors and the Trustees should be telling Corkish to butt out loudly and publicly. This isn't about which TT commentator is or isn't employed (I don't really care myself and the fans opinions seem divided). It's about the independent running of a radio station. If my understanding is correct, the unemployment of Messrs Lambert and Williams was due to financial pressure from Government in the first place, so it will be Government changing its mind rather than MR. If true it is a scary indication of how much media control government thinks it has bought for a million pounds a year. I think we should be told...
  24. I really don't want to get dragged into this. No idea how much they get paid but the feedback from the fans is extremely positive every year and the event itself appears more popular than ever, so it can't be all bad. And like I said, a lot of locals are already working on it. On the other hand, you rather dragged yourself into it, both feet etc. Bit lame abandoning your position like this as soon as it appears the facts are running contra to what you'd like us all to believe.
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