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  1. I didn't say they had. Some of their camera men have. The old 'everyone works freelance' motto still seems to stand in the world of TV production... That's why all the camera crews North One import are the same freelancers added to the Greenlight crew roster. That's why Greenlight actually had MORE crews available for filming, and of course more editors at their home base in Tromode. Where everything worked to a huge and complicated master-plan. The same one North One copied from the freelancers when they took over, hired the same helicopter, pilot and camera for the aerial shots. The difference is that Greenlight know the course and could tell the story of the race, and they could do it on time for same-day programmes worldwide instead of panicking near the end and filling huge lumps of the programme with helicopter footage - that's just an easy cop-out rather than an editorial decision. Rather like the overlong slo-mos. Great, but utimately repetitive, though that's obviously a matter of opinion. Great for DVD extras, but not so much for a wider TV audience, I would have thought. And it did go to a wider audience. People forget that the TT was on same night on BBC and ITV, and in the USA and Europe, and seen later worldwide, as well as on SkySports, Channel 5 and, of course, the BBC. Sunday morning grandstand or whatever it's called, just before the Moto GP, linked to by Steve Parrish, a commentator first employted on the TT programmes by - oh, that's right. Greenlight. The TT had a massive worldwide audience right up to the moment North One took over. Last year's Southern 100 was shown in more countries and seen by more people than the TT.
  2. Observant. Very observant. But where were you when the announcement was made? TVIM is a joint product of Three FM and Greenlight TV. Hence the 3FM newsreaders appearing on every TVIM bulletin since day one, which must have been six months ago. Not so much "cosying up" as joined in matrimony. Do try to keep up, lest we begin to fear that all your posts are blessed with a similar degree of understanding and research... With your undoubted in-depth knowledge, could you enlighten those of us less fortunately blessed as to where Judas Turner and his Turd.fm come into the arrangement? It must be wonderful being you, spending your days doing nothing but dreaming up offensive names for people you don't know and aren't qualified to judge, but covering them with infantile bile as an alternative to doing anything constructive. It would appear from your response that my fears have been justified. You obviously know nothing about Energy, Juan Turner, 3FM or TVIM, not even the information contained within the pages of the forum you inhabit. Clearly you are the person that nice Mr Corkish was thinking of when he said it should be closed down, and dammit, Trumpsy, you've given the old fool a shitload of ammunition. Because you know nothing, contribute nothing, and care even less. All you do is get your rocks off calling people stupid names, which the rest of us grew out of when we were 5 years old. FYI (and this too was in the original launch information, a well-attended public event reported on extensively in all media and these pages) Energy FM shares space, facilities and operating costs with 3FM. The two remain separate entities. There is no connection between Energy FM and TVIM. FYFI (For Your Further Information, just in case you're having trouble with long sentences again today), what you do is a well-known syndrome of people who have no logical grounds for prolonging a discussion and turning it into an argument but do so anyway. Usually they're students of the Sun and Star, by the way, which are comics you may find suit your editorial and comprehension levels somewhat better than Manx Forums, and when they're unhappy but don't know why or don't have a reason, they just call people names. It's an ad hominem argument, which means "I can't think of a logical way to express my disagreement with the topic under discussion, so I'll call everyone names, because if I call Juan Turner Judas Turner for no reason at all, people will think he's a bad man, and that I must be right." Plus it probably makes your tiny little willy a bit stiff. See? That's another one. Fun, isn't it.
  3. Bloody hell children, is this really the best you can do? Try and act your age.
  4. Observant. Very observant. But where were you when the announcement was made? TVIM is a joint product of Three FM and Greenlight TV. Hence the 3FM newsreaders appearing on every TVIM bulletin since day one, which must have been six months ago. Not so much "cosying up" as joined in matrimony. Do try to keep up, lest we begin to fear that all your posts are blessed with a similar degree of understanding and research...
  5. Actually, I think you'll find they're saying "you can save X from the subvention and spend it on anything you like". OK I did notice my error in that too. Since you have pointed it out I will amend it. "You can save X from the subvention and give SOME of it to me to help my bottom line". How's that? I contend that the same result could be attained without the privateers getting a cut. Nope, still misquoting what they said in their presentation, which was (and I paraphrase): You're spending more than a million a year on MR* and it's one of three radio stations fighting over audiences. If it didn't have to do that quite so much, if it was run by someone who's not so accustomed to living high on the government hog and had to make everything cost effective, and if it shared base operating costs with the other two stations, you could halve your losses and still get the same service. The other two stations would be responsible for their own profit and loss, but would have to pay their share of the shared operating systems. No-one gets a hand-out, the subvention is at least halved, and everybody's happy. Except the people who don't think it should happen because they don't like the individuals involved. * we all know the exact amount varies according to who you're talking to, so let's settle on an easy round million. I'm not misquoting them. I'm not quoting them at all but reading the subtext. You're spending more than a million a year on MR* and it's one of three radio stations fighting over audiences. AGREE. if it was run by someone who's not so accustomed to living high on the government hog and had to make everything cost effective, BRING IT ON. and if it shared base operating costs with the other two stations, you could halve your losses and still get the same service. The other two stations would be responsible for their own profit and loss, but would have to pay their share of the shared operating systems. HERE IS THE PROBLEMATIC BIT. GIMME THE MONEY. What's problematic about that?
  6. I know we did this one earlier in the thread but it is important concerning who is doing what. Would be good if anyone has the wording of the original remit for the third franchise but I am convinced that 3FM jumped straight into what was Energy's area rather than the other way around. Certainly enough to hurt Energy. I suspect that Energy would have been astounded at the 3FM output when it started. Suffice to say that 3FM does not come across as for older listeners to me. It's pure 80's 90's and now. They subsequently both slid onto the centre ground in search of audience. Actually Energy was created with the express intention of catering to the under-thirties, the young affluent males so beloved of all market research companies. Anyone who's ever observed the real world for more than a nanosecond fell about laughing at the time. Along came Three FM, pointed straight at provably lucrative the Radio 2 market, and hammered it to death. Energy changed tack about three months later and aimed at the higher age group. Quite why either of them thought they could survive in a market segment dominated by a hugely funded government radio station (a genuine vanity project if ever there was one) we'll never know.
  7. Actually, I think you'll find they're saying "you can save X from the subvention and spend it on anything you like". OK I did notice my error in that too. Since you have pointed it out I will amend it. "You can save X from the subvention and give SOME of it to me to help my bottom line". How's that? I contend that the same result could be attained without the privateers getting a cut. Nope, still misquoting what they said in their presentation, which was (and I paraphrase): You're spending more than a million a year on MR* and it's one of three radio stations fighting over audiences. If it didn't have to do that quite so much, if it was run by someone who's not so accustomed to living high on the government hog and had to make everything cost effective, and if it shared base operating costs with the other two stations, you could halve your losses and still get the same service. The other two stations would be responsible for their own profit and loss, but would have to pay their share of the shared operating systems. No-one gets a hand-out, the subvention is at least halved, and everybody's happy. Except the people who don't think it should happen because they don't like the individuals involved. * we all know the exact amount varies according to who you're talking to, so let's settle on an easy round million.
  8. Actually, I think you'll find they're saying "you can save X from the subvention and spend it on anything you like".
  9. Hmm, interesting. Have you ever thought about becoming a politician jonny? How about: let's just divide the TOTAL cost of Laxey Wheel by the number of taxpayers on the Island and make the resulting amount an optional payment. Then they'll have to get by on whatever amount is raised. let's just divide the TOTAL cost of The Steam Trains by the number of taxpayers on the Island and make the resulting amount an optional payment. Then they'll have to get by on whatever amount is raised. let's just divide the TOTAL cost of The National Health Service by the number of taxpayers on the Island and make the resulting amount an optional payment. Then they'll have to get by on whatever amount is raised. I could go on and on but I am sure even with your own political philiosophies you get the point. And incidentally I know taxpayers who have never been up the Laxey Wheel or on the Steam Trains (well maybe once). I also know people who claim they have never needed the services of the NHS. I don't hear then whinging. Now please don't get me wrong. Manx Radio ain't perfect and I reserve the right to criticise it as necessary but. I just feel very uneasy - particularly in this case - when another broadcaster starts ripping into it. If 3fm and Energy were anything much more than 'musical wallpaper' then you might have a reasonable case. But you don't. There see, I've just spat out another mouthfiul of snake oil flavoured coffee. I'm not sure that anyone, politician or otherwise, would suggest that one solution fits all problems. I know I didn't. Therefore, extrapolating one suggestion across a number of situations to which it is not applicable is false logic and in now way discredits the original idea. Try tackling the situation on its merits.
  10. Presumably a reference to the 'down there with the kids' Energy Radio. Well I would suggest that in desperation to save his easy £1000 a week for the next 5 years on the Legislative Council , JT metaphorically fucked the kids, honey. He seconded the Education Minister's student grant cut proposal in Tynwald, and in return Minister Tim Crookall MHK nominated him to get his cushy seat back. A move that nearly didn't pay off, incidentally. But the kids won't forget Tim. Or Juan. There are no figures to suggest that Energy is now anything other than a vanity project. That figure is exaggerated and is a one-off anyway and included capital investment in the building. I tried some of your snake oil coffee and just spat it out across the room. And chalk and cheese? Maybe Captain Carter should insist he joins in with the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company and go 50-50 from there on. No, I've got a better idea. let's just divide the TOTAL cost of Manx Radio by the number of taxpayers on the Island and make the resulting amount an optional payment. Then they'll have to get by on whatever amount is raised. Plus the normal income of a commercial radio station, to which they ALSO have access, don't forget.
  11. How do you know? The same way you know it does, I expect.
  12. Popularity and audience are irrelevant for the time being. We're only talking about the cost of making it happen. The transmoitter doesn't cost more to run if more people tune their readio to the frequency it's using.
  13. Might get a grant? The complaint is also a chalk and cheese analogy, comparing a public service broadcaster with a private one. Might get a grant, so we should slag him off now in case he does? Chalk and Cheese? No, not really. No-one's comparing them, just saying it doesn't cost £1.5 a million pounds a year MORE to run a Public Service Broadcaster on the IoM than it does a private one.
  14. So we're not talking about an MLC then? Does he get money to run a coffee shop? No. Separate subject.
  15. Problem is, at least one of those coffee shops refuses to use the Real Arabica Jazzycoffeebeans Aroma test to prove that his coffee can cut the mustard, meaning his Down With The Kids coffee room stands at a serious risk of being empty every day. That's a risk he's been running every day since he opened for business ten years ago. Without, as far as I know, taking a penny in handouts from the likes of me and you. How much has been frittered away on over-icing the cakes on the hill, in that period? Must be more than £5 million, not as much as £10 million, at a guess. But it's a scary amount of cash, especially when you think that most of it need never have been spent if only they'd got the recipe right...
  16. Sadly PP and seconders, your neat little analogy has indeed overlooked THE most important point, namely that Stu is NOT getting a million pounds a year from the Government to run a coffee-shop. To be more accurate you should have included not just the million-pound taxpayer subsidy but also rent-free premises and equipment and crockery all paid for by Government as well, making the total taxpayer contribution closer to one and-a-half million. Then RB and JT show up and say to Government "you're wasting a million quid a year subsidising a coffee-shop when there are two others here which can make a profit WITHOUT any subsidy. We realise that Stu's subsidised emporium offers a particular brand of pre-digested biscuits such as old people tend to favour and which will never be available in our outlets, so here's a deal. We'll run all three coffeee-shops as separate entities in the same building, keep serving the special items the oldies like in one room, and our own brands of produce in two more separate rooms, and we'll only need half a million quid to maintain the staff needed to keep serving the stuff the oldies like. You save a million pounds (a year, every year) the oldies get what they want, the young ones get what they want and everybody's happy, especially the poor, benighted taxpayer. "
  17. Back on topic for a mo, just found this quote from Voltaire: "To learn who riules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise."
  18. Does it usually take that much? I thought foaming was his default setting, like blithering.
  19. I'm still amazed that no local 'journalist' has asked the Chief Minister whether he endorses/supports/deplores the sentiments expressed by one of his Ministers. But then, it's only an attack on the right to free speech, one of the pillars of the democratic process the Island is always quick to boast about. Goes back 1000 years. Oldest continual parliamentary democracy in the world and all that. Come to think of it, something as marvellous as that is too important to let the hoi-polloi muck about with it. They might make a complete mess and spoil everything. Yes, democracy is far to important a freedom to let the electorate run amok having opinions and so on. Who knows where it might all end.
  20. Not sure about the limericks. Think they might end up costing more lives than careless talk. Think I prefer ill-informed gossip.
  21. Oh, you HAVE to listen. No apology for what he said, and he reminds us of the old saying "careless talk costs lives" Did he REALLY say that? Had to listen twice to be sure. He did. WTF? Careless talk about our government on forums costs lives? This man is so far removed from reality it's hard to believe Bell doesn't gag him permanently.
  22. dark veil of anonymity...ring any bells? Absolutely none. I take I will find you under 'C' in the phone book?
  23. He didn't mention anonymous wankers at all. He said ill-informed forums should be closed down. I do not agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it. Ring any bells? It should do, you're benefitting from it.
  24. An elected member of your National Parliament says that in his opinion the electorate should be denied access to a public forum and the freedom of speech that entails and you think it of no consequence AT ALL? If I were a journalist on the local paper I'd be asking Alan Bell to speak up and support Corkish or fire him. Anyone who doesn't toe the party line gets fired, remember, and it would be intersting to know if the ambition to restrict our freedom of speech represents 'the party line' .
  25. I'm seldom moved to post about political generalities especially the bumbling fool Corkish, for whom generalities seem to have become a life's work, but I have to speak up now, so appalling is the potential of this crass remark. Manx politician advocates an attack on freedom of speech and is cheered by his colleagues in the Manx Parliament. Hopefully no-one outside these shores takes him seriously enough to report this, because the damage it could do to the image of IoM plc is enormous. Luckily we have a tame press which will confine itself to mere reporting of the fact without making an issue or trying to explain to voters the full scale and import of this dangerous remark. Corkish has said something far more subversive than ANYTHING I have ever read in these pages, attacking one of the foundations of the 1000 year parliament he is privileged to serve. Trouble is, he thinks WE work for him, and doubtless many of the 'hear hears' do to. It's our own fault for electing them.
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