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  1. 2 hours ago, John Wright said:


    Will the pair of you get a room and either bore each other to death or kiss and make up. This is becoming tedious.


    Perhaps we should stick to talking about which set of genitalia belong in which toilet/changing room in the long running trans debate, rather than issues surrounding the UK Prime Minister.

    Because that particular (trans genitalia)  debate is not tedious at all is it?

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  2. 3 hours ago, P.K. said:

    If it's factual, which it is, then the source is irrelevant.

    But you wouldn't know how factually correct it is because you haven't watched it.

    Which means you're in no position to judge.

    By the way, have you seen any brexit sunlit uplands recently?

    Me neither....

    OK I've indulged you and watched the whole mish mash.

    It not only includes inaccuracies (for example about the evacuation of  animals from Afghanistan) , presents opinions as fact and implies ( well more than implies) that excess Covid deaths were as a result of Johnson’s actions or inactions. Yes, often with hindsight you can see that taking a different path may sometimes have resulted in a different outcome be that positive or negative. This is a real low point of the piece.

    As for berating him for having a holiday, well.

    Lets pretend for a minute that every word in that video could be verified as fact and didn’t include any supposition or misrepresentation.

    Its clear that you dislike the amoral narcissistic (etc etc) Boris Johnson. That’s a valid point of view to hold. You want to persuade others to share your point of view, again a valid objective. That is why we have debates.

    But this isn’t the way to do it. You say the source ( this video presentation) is irrelevant. I’m afraid it’s not.

    Any marketing professional will tell you that the way you present your argument is as important as the strength of the argument itself.

    This presentation is amateurish, vindictive and clearly driven by spite. It may attract a couple of 14 year old impressionable school boys to your cause but is more likely to turn people away from it, seeing it for what it is.

    A more reasoned and mature approach would be much more likely to garner support. 

    I write this as one who has no great love for Johnson.

  3. 12 hours ago, P.K. said:

    What a load of nonsense. But wanting Bozo as PM sends out a very strong personal message about yourself.

    None of it good...

    Why don't you watch it all and then have an adult debate about Bozo's manifest failings...?

    If you read my post properly you would see that I didn’t say I wanted Boris as PM. I said that he was effectively the best of a bad bunch.

    I would rather form my political opinions on proper debates, interviews and informed journalism ( Sunday Politics show for example) than these sixth form cartoon type propaganda clips of which you seem to have stock a plenty 

  4. 23 hours ago, HeliX said:

    If you give the Government the right to shoot its enemies you'd sure better hope the next Government doesn't see you as an enemy.

    Government enemies such as the one in Argentina who would have killed the VP had it not been for the gun mechanism locking.?

    I think “stop oil” mad protestors are the enemies of the people and by extension enemies of the government. The shooting comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek but they certainly deserve more than a slap on the wrist.

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  5. On 9/2/2022 at 5:26 PM, The Voice of Reason said:

    That’s akin to saying the UK Government has introduced anti knife carrying legislation due to the success people have had in inflicting injuries on their fellow citizens

    I got that wrong. That’s not what I meant. Sorry.

  6. 3 hours ago, P.K. said:

    It has been said that you can find the legacy of Boris Johnson's Premiership in cemeteries the length and breadth of the UK...

    Here is an easier way more in line with "The Apprentice - You're Fired" where they show your highlights:


    Essential watching...

    Er, not quite essential watching. I did watch the first minute but didn’t want to waste another nine minutes of my life watching the rest. Where do you find this crap?

    Being as it seems we are going to have a Tory Prime Minister for the next few years I would rather it was he than Sunak or Truss. He is the most left-leaning of the three and is certainly the most entertaining.

    It also seems he is going to be at least partially vindicated over the partygate affair.



  7. 2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

    Good grief.

    What happened to your voice of reason man?

    It’s still there but sometimes desperate something’s  ( I can’t recall what ) call for desperate actions.

    I know some might take them to the nearest Costa Coffee and buy them a flat white latte americano with a machino shot drink to help them get over the stressful experience these snowflakes created themselves.

    If you’re old enough to create a security alert you’re old enough to suffer the consequences. Over the top or not. So shoot them. They should know such behaviour in the Mother of Parliaments won’t be tolerated.

    What would you do with them Rox?😊

  8. 33 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:


    The fact that the UK government have had to acknowledge their actions, to the extent they've decided to legislate against them is a measure of how successful their protests have been. 

    That’s akin to saying the UK Government has introduced anti knife carrying legislation due to the success people have had in inflicting injuries on their fellow citizens

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  9. 1 minute ago, A fool and his money..... said:

    What other option do they have, given the lack of action and the urgency of the predicament?

    Even assuming there is an urgent predicament the stunts they pull are not really “options” as these are not going to further their cause one iota but rather the opposite.

    Other pressure groups manage to get their point across without being silly.

    If there is not the political will for what they want to happen, to happen they’ll just have to live with it.

    There are a lot of things I would like to happen ( eg road tax and insurance for cyclists) but I realise they won’t happen.

    I can whinge on social media but wouldn’t dream of inconveniencing the general public because I can’t get my way.


  10. I do struggle to understand how they think this sort of thing helps their cause.

    Perhaps they don’t but are merely attention seekers

    Yes it gives them publicity but almost exclusively in a negative way.

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  11. Just now, forestboy said:

    They need a custodial sentence. 
    also where was security??

    When I did the tour of the HOC there was an armed policewoman in one of the corners opposite the Speakers chair. 

    If that is a permanent feature they should have been shot and questions asked later. (Not very PC I know)!

  12. I see the Extinction Rebellion clowns are up to their usual tricks. Superglueing themselves to the Speakers Chair in the House of Commons. 
    They really need a clip round the ear

    Eta should have put this on International but searched for ER references and this thread came up

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  13. 6 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

    I have private healthcare thanks...

    Do you have your own private police force and fire service as well?

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  14. 10 hours ago, finlo said:

    I said (on here I think) some time ago that I suspect a lot of profiteering is going on all conveniently blamed on Covid/Ukraine etc.

    Etc including Brexit of course

  15. 2 hours ago, 0bserver said:

    If we're languishing in the bottom three then there's only one thing for it! 

    Give the job to Big Sam for the rest of the season 


    Scott Parker is available 

  16. 15 hours ago, doc.fixit said:

    Is there actually a shortage or are they just searching for the cheapest?

    Some of my repeat medications seem to change manufacturer each prescription and some of the products seem to be much more cheaply packaged, (a good thing), or the inhalers don't have counters on, (a bad thing).

    Brexit apparently 

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  17. 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

    "Let's have some ideas we can plagiarise and claim the credit for ourselves"? 

    Jeez, the Government tries to engage with the public to hear their opinions and suggestions and get met with the above.

    TBH I don’t  know why they bother when they are met with such negativity. 

    Damned if they do and damned if they don’t!

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