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22 minutes ago, piebaps said:

MR receive a payment from the Gov for public service broadcasting. This doesn't include the bike racing.

Rob proposed that they should be made to do it as part of the payment.

Tynwald refused to back his idea saying that it would be wrong to dictate what the media do or don't do.

The broadcast contract for TT and MGP will now go to a public tender and anyone interested will be able to bid - that is if anyone wants to which will of course depend on the terms of the tender they put out. In 2018 the terms for MR meant that they couldn't generate their own advertising and had to promote DFE's advertisers.

We're now around 8 months to TT so they'd better get their fingers out. Anyone winning a bid will need to find the equipment, infrastructure, frequencies and staff and all that will take time.

That's a good summary, but it needs to be added that, until recently, the public service provision effectively did include the TT and MGP in it.  Whether there were also extra payments given to the station for it (and if so how much) is as obscure as much of the rest of Manx Radio's accounting.

This year the franchise was effectively run by the DfE with Manx Radio being explicitly paid and the DfE handling the commercial side.  How this worked out in terms of profit and loss for either of course also obscure because we're not allowed to know what out betters get up to with our money whenever the is the slightest chance that 'commercial confidentiality' can be claimed.  However the fact that it was Callister and Skelly who wanted to revert to the old system  (though presumably without any extra payment from DfE) is rather revealing and suggest that their department made an entirely predictable financial cock-up.

It's also revealing that nobody else went along with it and that the (actually rather incoherent) argument against came from Shimmins who is a member of the Treasury.  Perhaps there's a feeling that the DfE should be allowed to go hang on this one.

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@ Roger Mexico: I think that the outcome was obvious from the moment that DfE asserted that local advertisers would be excluded and only the official TT sponsors' content would be aired on the service. That exclusivity will have cost them. Furthermore, it might have implications for an attempt to return to the status quo ante. If local advertisers found their trade at this year's TT was up to the usual level it will have rather let the cat out of the bag. They might be reluctant to come back on board for the future.

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2 hours ago, woolley said:

@ Roger Mexico: I think that the outcome was obvious from the moment that DfE asserted that local advertisers would be excluded and only the official TT sponsors' content would be aired on the service. That exclusivity will have cost them. Furthermore, it might have implications for an attempt to return to the status quo ante. If local advertisers found their trade at this year's TT was up to the usual level it will have rather let the cat out of the bag. They might be reluctant to come back on board for the future.

I suspect many local businesses advertised on Radio TT as much as a way of supporting the event as in expectation of further trade at a time when they will be very busy anyway. Obviously being told to piss off by Skelly's financial geniuses won't endear them in future, though they might come back if the control changes.

But I don't really know what is going on politically here, though there's obviously something happening between DfE and Treasury.  Usually this stuff is all sorted out at CoMin / CEO meeting level before it gets to Tynwald.

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2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

But I don't really know what is going on politically here, though there's obviously something happening between DfE and Treasury.  Usually this stuff is all sorted out at CoMin / CEO meeting level before it gets to Tynwald.

It sounds to me like Treasury has started to have enough of the DFE. Cannan’s comments on Callister’s tabled amendments concerning MR were cutting to say the least. But I suppose why wouldn’t they get fed up in the end with such a pair of complete whoppers overseeing a department that is supposed to be growing the Manx economy and the TT but which seems to be constantly doing the exact opposite? 

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I think Cannan/Treasury are are also very fed up with DHSC, hence Michaels, and DHA, hence it won’t be around much longer. They (Cannan/Treasury) are, I reckon, also bollocks deep in the burgeoning of the irresistible Cabinet Office world domination expansion programme.

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Skelly excepted, Manx Radio appears to have lost the support of Tynwald as a broadcasting institution promoting & supporting Manx culture

To me this is immensely worrying in itself, but poses the question as to what they now consider the station is there for & why the taxpayer should continue to fund it

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Question has to be asked as to what Tynwald considers the difference to be between the 'independent public service media' it states it wants, & what Manx Radio actually delivers today

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On 10/22/2019 at 12:50 PM, piebaps said:

You're not understanding woody.

MR receive a payment from the Gov for public service broadcasting. This doesn't include the bike racing.

Rob proposed that they should be made to do it as part of the payment.

Tynwald refused to back his idea saying that it would be wrong to dictate what the media do or don't do.

The broadcast contract for TT and MGP will now go to a public tender and anyone interested will be able to bid - that is if anyone wants to which will of course depend on the terms of the tender they put out. In 2018 the terms for MR meant that they couldn't generate their own advertising and had to promote DFE's advertisers.

We're now around 8 months to TT so they'd better get their fingers out. Anyone winning a bid will need to find the equipment, infrastructure, frequencies and staff and all that will take time.

 

i do get it......:rolleyes: hence the post......

On 10/22/2019 at 1:30 PM, Donald Trumps said:

But is the fugure MR paid last time round to broadcast the TT (£100,000+++) included in the public subsidy?

no....

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7 minutes ago, woody2 said:

i do get it......:rolleyes: hence the post......

no....

Have I missed the point here by a mile ? 

I thought MR were paid to broadcast the TT, yet some seem to think that they paid the Gov for the  job. Am I wrong ?

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5 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Skelly excepted, Manx Radio appears to have lost the support of Tynwald as a broadcasting institution promoting & supporting Manx culture

To me this is immensely worrying in itself, but poses the question as to what they now consider the station is there for & why the taxpayer should continue to fund it

 

The only reference to culture in the new MR plan is that it is a station that reflects the island's culture back to itself

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Just now, Donald Trumps said:

 

The only reference to culture in the new MR plan is that it is a station that reflects the island's culture back to itself

& it's not pretty!

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3 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

& it's not pretty!

Are you a mate of our friend Dan ?

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Do you mean Dan Davies?

I don't know Dan but I've had the very occasional Twitter chat with him

Seems like a good guy to me, recognises what is wrong & what is right I think

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