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Bike's a bit of fun, like something by the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. Music can be fun you know.

 

The trouble with the later Floyd is that it is as if you are expected to sit quietly and reverentially and marvel at the effort they've put into it. Like you're attending a power point presentation on Compliance Practice by Rob Callister.

 

Yeah and what's wrong with that ? Dark Side of The Moon, The Wall, The final Cut and many others, just sit back and listen on high volume, or if the wife's in, with headphones on. What more can you want?.

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A record that rewards your time and concentration?

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A record that rewards your time and concentration?

 

That's what I've just posted thumbsup.gif

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Declan, you are talking nonsense. Pink Floyd only started to become original and creatively at their peak after Sid Barrett had left. The two geniuses and talents of Pink Floyd were Roger Waters and David Gilmour. Roger Waters is the one who imbued it with the political and philosophical undertones which really made and continues to make them stand out. The Wall is a masterpiece and true work of genius. Sid Barrett was obviously involved during the development of the band toward an experience rather than something you sit and dance to. The description of sitting quietly and listening is hardly something that began after Sid Barrett left. It had already started while he was there, as you can see from interviews between the band and a vocal conservative music critic who felt the music was childish (this was back when Sid Barrett was still there and lucid).

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Calling Stu

 

Please settle this dispute.

I'm not qualified to No Tail - I like Pink Floyd, but agree with llap and only really like their stuff from Dark Side on - never saw the 'magic' of Syd. Not slavish about it - didn't even buy their last album and there are tracks on the earlier records I usually skip, although Dark Side, The Wall and Final Cut are superb throughout. Always though Waters was a bit of a champagne socialist bore, but his creativity and input is beyond reproach.

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Declan, you are talking nonsense. Pink Floyd only started to become original and creatively at their peak after Sid Barrett had left. The two geniuses and talents of Pink Floyd were Roger Waters and David Gilmour. Roger Waters is the one who imbued it with the political and philosophical undertones which really made and continues to make them stand out. The Wall is a masterpiece and true work of genius. Sid Barrett was obviously involved during the development of the band toward an experience rather than something you sit and dance to. The description of sitting quietly and listening is hardly something that began after Sid Barrett left. It had already started while he was there, as you can see from interviews between the band and a vocal conservative music critic who felt the music was childish (this was back when Sid Barrett was still there and lucid).

 

Interesting and I largely agree. Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here are among the finest creations of any English musicians ever. I note what you say about The Wall, but it doesn't quite get right inside my head like the other two.

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The Wall is a masterpiece and true work of genius.

 

It's good, but that's pushing it, I reckon.

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Calling Stu

Please settle this dispute.

 

I'm not qualified to No Tail - I like Pink Floyd, but agree with llap and only really like their stuff from Dark Side on - never saw the 'magic' of Syd. Not slavish about it - didn't even buy their last album and there are tracks on the earlier records I usually skip, although Dark Side, The Wall and Final Cut are superb throughout. Always though Waters was a bit of a champagne socialist bore, but his creativity and input is beyond reproach.

Interestingly I think Llap knows a lot about early Pink Floyd for a very young minimum wage worker.

 

I think it all went wrong after Saucer Full of Secrets.

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The Wall is a masterpiece and true work of genius.

 

The manx radio extension cost fucking loads, so every wall better be a work of fucking genius.

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Calling Stu

Please settle this dispute.

 

I'm not qualified to No Tail - I like Pink Floyd, but agree with llap and only really like their stuff from Dark Side on - never saw the 'magic' of Syd. Not slavish about it - didn't even buy their last album and there are tracks on the earlier records I usually skip, although Dark Side, The Wall and Final Cut are superb throughout. Always though Waters was a bit of a champagne socialist bore, but his creativity and input is beyond reproach.
Interestingly I think Llap knows a lot about early Pink Floyd for a very young minimum wage worker.

 

I think it all went wrong after Saucer Full of Secrets.

But it's different now. We had to buy or borrow records to explore the past. Kids today have the whole history of recorded music a few clicks away. Although what sort dullard wastes that opportunity on Dark Side of The Moon is beyond me.

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when i was at school the amount of kids that bought pink floyd just to appear cool was amazing. usually girls who went to older parties. i rekoned they would have preferred slade and status quo but they persevered just to keep in with the in crowd. i see them now sometimes down town and they don't know a thing about the albums or the band and the music. just ĉonfirms how pseudo they were but at the time they thought they were so it.

 

besides, this is a thread about manx radio!

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just turned on mr for mandate. i thought it was 3fm or energy. forgot it was saturday, turned it right off. does it go all hip just for the weekend. bet she 'likes' pink floyd (i mean that in a nice way)

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when i was at school the amount of kids that bought pink floyd just to appear cool was amazing.

This is very true, but doesn't it apply to everything? The sheep follow the flock to be popular, particularly the young and impressionable. Smoking, drinking, doing drugs, jumping on social media bandwagons, worshipping "celebs" and footballers etc. It has always been the same.

 

Whether Pink Floyd merited such status or whether it was strictly self-indulgent as many of the progressive artists were is debatable. The young in any era think they invented everything.

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The Wall isn't my favourite Pink Floyd album, I was just pointing to it as a work of genius. I agree that Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here are much better. So is The Division Bell. But their early stuff, I do like a few bits but even the few good songs seem to be like 10 minutes long and 8 minutes of ear-numbing noise.

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Declan is one of those boring music snobs who believe anything mainstream, popular or available to the masses is bad even if it's good. Does it not stand that sometimes something can be so good that it really does reasonate with a lot of people? It's a logical fallacy to say anything popular must be bad. Mozart is mainstream, popular and available to the masses too and yet probably the greatest musician of all time. Declan even dismisses knowledge about early Pink Floyd (a group he doesn't even like) if it was learned easily via YouTube or the internet and why does he dismiss it? Because that's too easy and accessible. Unless it's completely esoteric and learned through esoteric means, Declan will reject it. This is snobbery for the sake of snobbery.

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