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Dunno what training you did, but overwhelm a medical service or spread panic about an attack and watch ‘em fall.  What if the ‘target’ has no one about to call an ambulance, or just go to bed thinking they have the flu?  

 

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4 minutes ago, x-in-man said:

Dunno what training you did, but overwhelm a medical service or spread panic about an attack and watch ‘em fall.  What if the ‘target’ has no one about to call an ambulance, or just go to bed thinking they have the flu?  

There are cheaper, easier, less obvious, less hazardous to the self ways of doing this.

I mean Porton Down is less than 30 mins from Salisbury and just over 10 minutes from Amesbury....tres convenient to be sure.

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Surely even the most basic of training would have taught you the dose makes the poison?

Plus, what do you know about the treatment these people have gone through?

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1 minute ago, Chinahand said:

Surely even the most basic of training would have taught you the dose makes the poison?

Plus, what do you know about the treatment these people have gone through?

Indeed it did. 

"VX is a "particularly toxic nerve agent". The potentially fatal dose is only slightly higher than the dose having any effect at all, and the effects of a fatal dose are so rapid that there is little time for treatment.[5] The median lethal dose (LD50)—the exposure required to kill half of a tested population—as estimated for 70 kg human males via exposure to the skin is reported to be 10 mg (0.00035 oz), and the lethal concentration time (LCt50), measuring the concentration of the vapor per length of time exposed, is estimated for VX to be 30–50 mg·min/m3"

"Novichok is reported to be 5–8 times more lethal than VX nerve agent and effects are rapid, usually within 30 seconds to 2 minutes."

 

When I went through training we were taught how to administer atropine injector pens when the effects of nerve agent are detected.  But you had to be quick, because if you were noticing the effects, chances are you were too late. 

But you have to wonder how carelessly the people who were "delivering" it to the targets had to be to "lose" some at a location away from the original site.

 

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They must have been trying to break into the Skripal's house to rob it for drug money and accidentally brushed against the doorknob. The doorknob that administered the non lethal dose to the Skripal's, before the rainwater washed it away and diluted the strength of it. Six week ago. How unlucky.

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There are better ways to assassinate politically sensitive targets...

Like ingesting a bunch of pain killers and slitting your wrist for no apparent reason (David Kelly) or build a narrative of kinky bondage activities then lock the body in a duffel bag (Gareth Williams).

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I’m confused. Is the lady that’s died a homeless drug addict or an upstanding pillar of the community with lots of friends? Reports seem to vary. 

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Are these two things so contradictory?

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3 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Are these two things so contradictory?

Yes.  Some reports seem to say that they were/are homeless drug addicts who probably picked up the nerve agent while searching through bins looking for fag ends with enough left to smoke or something to sell in order to gain a hit.  This portrayal is not of a person that I would describe as an 'upstanding pillar of the community'.  Others talk of them attending a party together and being popular with many friends.  This portrayal is not what I would expect of a 'homeless drug addict'.

I'm not saying that the death of one is irrelevant whereas the other merits an investigation that leaves no stone unturned, just that it is somewhat odd that we're a little in the dark as to the character of the victims of this latest nerve agent drama.

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Hostel...good place for any dodgy Russian to keep low on the radar. My guess...culprit stayed and left/dropped something there. Lady found and made contact with it and then touched boyfriend later. There was a delay in between him becoming affected.

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The skripals didn't die because the porton down novichok wasn't quite right. Some weaker people were chosen to test it on, one of them died quickly. Still not as efficient as hoped, the scientists have gone back to work.

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Again....super toxic (5-10 times more toxic than VX) Novichok some how "survives"  in the "wild" for over 4 months in the elements, 10 miles away from where it was first "used" (less than 8 miles away from the UK's NBC research centre.

So three people who were affected 4 months ago have all "gotten over it" including two who were the supposed targets.

A lot of things here aren't adding up to anyone who has the slightest inkling of how chemicals weapons work.

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