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Who knows what the truth is in the bonkers intelligence world of bluff, counter bluff and triple bluff. These two were clearly set up to be spotted and identified for whatever reason. Their rather obvious itinerary and the poisoning itself Iook like something out of a 5th grade attempt at a spy novel. If a state like Russia wanted someone dead by discreet means the Skripals would be long gone and there wouldn't be any CCTV footage of the suspects.

The whole thing looks like some kind of slapstick comedy.

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I disagree - my experience of the world is we are all surprisingly human and flawed, with most people being pretty mundane.

"Special forces" etc aren't nearly as James Bond as they'd claim.  My example - the SAS's finest hour.  There they were, under the world's gaze, blasting their way into the Iranian Embassy in London - it is very lucky the cameras were at the front.  If they had been at the back they'd have had priceless footage of a trooper being unable to abseil and ending up hanging helpless tangled in his ropes.

"clearly set up to be spotted" ... methinks you may be overthinking this ... "clearly didn't expect to be spotted" works just as well. 

In a country where police make little effort the idea of 100s of people going through 1000s of hours of CCTV might not have been considered - the effort to spot them, especially when they changed coats etc must have been truly herculean and well beyond the typical Moscow plod.  Is it really inconceivable that effort wasn't thought about?

Plus, having Putin directly put himself front and centre of these shenanigans at least makes it less likely that it was the Ukrainians.

Ah bluff and double bluff.

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We are all just blokes on the internet - and I've never claimed to be anything like John Holmes while I'm warming on Tom Watson (well done him beating type 2 diabetes). ;-)

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8 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

We are all just blokes on the internet - and I've never claimed to be anything like John Holmes while I'm warming on Tom Watson (well done him beating type 2 diabetes). ;-)

Almost won the open at 59 years of age too.

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In the light of Russia Today's interview with the Chuckle Brothers, perhaps Stinky should chastise himself/herself with a firm blow from a flat palm to the back of the head. Make it a good one and promise never to be silly again. At least not on here.   

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2 hours ago, Chinahand said:

I disagree - my experience of the world is we are all surprisingly human and flawed, with most people being pretty mundane.

"Special forces" etc aren't nearly as James Bond as they'd claim.  My example - the SAS's finest hour.  There they were, under the world's gaze, blasting their way into the Iranian Embassy in London - it is very lucky the cameras were at the front.  If they had been at the back they'd have had priceless footage of a trooper being unable to abseil and ending up hanging helpless tangled in his ropes.

"clearly set up to be spotted" ... methinks you may be overthinking this ... "clearly didn't expect to be spotted" works just as well. 

In a country where police make little effort the idea of 100s of people going through 1000s of hours of CCTV might not have been considered - the effort to spot them, especially when they changed coats etc must have been truly herculean and well beyond the typical Moscow plod.  Is it really inconceivable that effort wasn't thought about?

Plus, having Putin directly put himself front and centre of these shenanigans at least makes it less likely that it was the Ukrainians.

Ah bluff and double bluff.

Come on China. If you were out to kill someone, just as a normal member of the public, you'd take a few precautions wouldn't you. These boys have the might of one of the worlds most fearsome and experienced intelligence services at their disposal, their president is schooled in the art no less, but these boys haven't take any precautions whatsoever. No disguise. No attempt to conceal their identity, apart from some clumsy fake names. No attempt to avoid public transport and the myriad of CCTV cameras all over.

If you wanted to you could go into any city underworld in the UK and buy a weapon and some pretty decent prosthetics and do the job yourself for a few hundred quid. Or at best anonymously pay a hitman a few grand to do the job at arms length for you.

I don't know what the truth is but it ain't some ninja chuckle brothers.

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Do you think Putin and his bully boys care ? Why bother taking precautions, assuming disguises, concealing identity, when the message is f**k you and this is what will happen to anybody else who blows the whistle. They were hiding in plain sight for a reason - to get the point across.

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These chaps would have learned more about counter surveilance from a 3 day become a private detective course advertised in the news of the world than what they seem to have during their time in the gru.

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There were hardly any sanctions when they used Polonium back in the Blair years.  Thank goodness that sort of soft touch approach has ended.

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If there's one good thing to have come out of it, these guys turning up has at least heralded a return of journalistic integrity, where they look for holes in a story then ask more questions. Who knows, maybe the bbc and the guardian will even allow comments on this story now. Quite refreshing.

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