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pongo - difference between constitutional arrangements and 'constitutional relationship'. Let me rephrase to clarify - IoM's status in international law. It is not a sovereign state. It is a dependent territory (which sounds a bit like Baltic states under Soviet Union).

 

IoM is a non-self-governing territory, yet does not seem to have right of self-determination. The limits of the UK's power and control over IoM is far from clear. Ultimately can UK impose whatever legislation on IoM it likes or not? To answer that requires establishing the legal source of the UK's power and control over IoM. Is it held under de facto control by UK as an Administering Power? Is it a colonial possession? What exactly happened to the sovereignty that IoM had prior to 1764?

 

"Sometimes not exactly defining a relationship is the best way forward." The notion of 'constructive ambiguity' comes into play when different sides have different positions and views. IOMG doesn't have a view - just unrelenting cluelessness.

 

In a relationship say between landlord and tenant, if one side is clueless about their rights and position, aren't they more likely to be taken advantage of and taken for a ride? e.g. thinking they did well in the concessions they negotiated when in reality they are making concessions they needn't. (Ah this is a positive relationship - just shows, the best way forward is to remain resolutely clueless!).

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The keywords that are being bandied about are:

  • independent review
  • standards of financial regulation
  • supervision
  • transparency
  • international norms with regard to taxation
  • fiscal arrangements
  • risks
  • deposit protection
  • financial crisis management
  • mitigation strategies
  • resolution arrangements
  • financial crime
  • role in global economy
  • long term business strategies

Skeddan what you say assumes that there are motivated people of sufficient intelligence to develop the Island's position in time for the 'independent review' being conducted by the UK Government.

 

Given that this situation lso relates to the Channel Islands would it be worthwhile seeing if we could pool resources to get an 'independent review' conducted by Crown Dependencies with a TOR to address issues of importance to the CDs? This will be different to the TOR set by the UK Government. Having an 'independent review' to place alongside the UK one might be better than sitting back and hoping for the best.

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The Uk will be wanting us all to pay double what we pay in tax and give half of it to them :(

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All this is assuming the Labour goon show stays in for much longer, if not I am sure the Tory's will need somewhere for themselves and their mates to stash their cash

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In 1982 the British government was prepared to go to war with Argentina to preserve the way of life of 1800 sheep shaggers whilst at the same time condemning hundreds of mining, shipbuilding & steel communities to a life of destitution.

 

I don't think they actually give a shit about what happens to us, we are probably just a pawn in their game of global chess ready to be sacrificed if it fits in with the strategic plan

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In 1982 the British government was prepared to go to war with Argentina to preserve the way of life of 1800 sheep shaggers whilst at the same time condemning hundreds of mining, shipbuilding & steel communities to a life of destitution.

 

Too right. Another 80,000 sheep shaggers is irrelevant to them!

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Bell not unduly concerned - Manx Radio

 

Gordon Brown is using it to deflect attention away from his own incompetence

 

Is this undiplomatic language?

 

Accurate language more like

 

…when your only real 'plan' seems to be to punish the wealthy, then you don't want the wealthy to have another option? Also seems to be the case for Obama's big plan

 

A socialist coup but at what cost

 

 

 

Pssst 'you want to borrow a fiver. It'll cost you £10'

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Did anyone else go to the debate last night at the Sefton Hotel? I found what the IOMG representative said as very enlightening, IMO it is all down to pure greed, they want what we have, simple. I don’t mean the sheep, but the wealth that is flowing through the IOM system.

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Did anyone else go to the debate last night at the Sefton Hotel? I found what the IOMG representative said as very enlightening, IMO it is all down to pure greed, they want what we have, simple. I don’t mean the sheep, but the wealth that is flowing through the IOM system.

 

 

didn't they just take 500 million of it??

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Bell not unduly concerned - Manx Radio

 

Gordon Brown is using it to deflect attention away from his own incompetence

 

Is this undiplomatic language?

 

Not your usual ass kissing I grant you!

But maybe needed saying ?

Our last high powered delegation sent to Westminister didn't seem to get us very far , if Mr Browns weekend comments are anything to go by?

 

The more I see/hear of Alan bell the more I like him!

A bit of backbone in a Manx Politician a rare thing these days ? :)

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and he can bench press 200KG, trust me he has plenty of backbone. But I agree, we need a Government that is going to stand up for us, not just yessir no yessir (no pun intended) The UKG just want what we have and they are trying to put people of from using the offshore facilities we have, so they will use London.

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nobody seems to have gone on the offensive about the IoM being a TAX HEAVEN :)

 

I think the UK are misguided if they think all the deposits in the off-shore centres will just flood into UK, they will go to other far flung places, anywhere out of range of their grasp

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nobody seems to have gone on the offensive about the IoM being a TAX HEAVEN :)

 

Tax Haven in French is Un Paradis Fiscal. Literally a paradise. Perhaps that should be the motto :)

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