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Much handwringing over this site, especially by Clare Barber on the Moanin Line recently. I don’t know what’s going on but CB says it’s a frustration, when questioned by the NPM. She claims there are all these exciting plans and schemes, Luxury Apartments with Leisure Facilities? She has had five years to probe and question but over the years it’s been ignored and left to be used as storage. Not good when tourism is trying to be promoted, it’s a glaringly obvious site of dereliction. Maybe IOMG have a plan to bring over hip trendy London arty types to board the site and paint scenes, masking the site from the public? 

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4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Much handwringing over this site, especially by Clare Barber on the Moanin Line recently. I don’t know what’s going on but CB says it’s a frustration, when questioned by the NPM. She claims there are all these exciting plans and schemes, Luxury Apartments with Leisure Facilities? She has had five years to probe and question but over the years it’s been ignored and left to be used as storage. Not good when tourism is trying to be promoted, it’s a glaringly obvious site of dereliction. Maybe IOMG have a plan to bring over hip trendy London arty types to board the site and paint scenes, masking the site from the public? 

Whole lot just needs flattening and grassing over. 

Is Claire Barber referring to this possible proposal that was knocking around back in 2018? It seems she may of had some kind of involvement/interest as she couldn't vote on the motion due to being conflicted? 

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=44164&headline=Are there really plans to develop Summerland?&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2018

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Oroglas - Who decided this was a good idea. Who was really responsible for this. I saw it from 15 miles away, stuck in my memory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-23449990

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/02/helencarter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerland_disaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORFFWAUJ8Po

Do not forget.

 

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6 minutes ago, philwebs said:

Oroglas - Who decided this was a good idea. Who was really responsible for this. I saw it from 15 miles away, stuck in my memory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-23449990

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/02/helencarter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerland_disaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORFFWAUJ8Po

Do not forget.

 

I don’t think anyone has forgotten but it was a long time ago, in a completely different world of buildings regs, insurance and health and safety and simply couldn’t happen these days (apart from in China.  There will be a major engineering or building disaster out there soon) so although we should all remember what happened dwelling on it or digging it all up again achieves nothing.

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42 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

I don’t think anyone has forgotten but it was a long time ago, in a completely different world of buildings regs, insurance and health and safety and simply couldn’t happen these days (apart from in China.  There will be a major engineering or building disaster out there soon) so although we should all remember what happened dwelling on it or digging it all up again achieves nothing.

Yes imagine a fire spreading because builders had used completely unsuitable materials and more than 50 deaths resulting.  It could only happen somewhere far away with lax building regulations.  Like Kensington.

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I, like most people, am sick to death of the long term bomb sites around the centre of Douglas, some of them are more than twenty years in the making and most over fifteen years. This is a damning testimony to the lack of governance on the island, that they would allow demolition, or even deliberately force it, to stick the spokes into any future use of a site by other operators. 

We are governed by thick twats who are way out of their depth, I don't see much improvement on the horizon!

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2 hours ago, 2112 said:

Much handwringing over this site, especially by Clare Barber on the Moanin Line recently. I don’t know what’s going on but CB says it’s a frustration, when questioned by the NPM. She claims there are all these exciting plans and schemes, Luxury Apartments with Leisure Facilities? She has had five years to probe and question but over the years it’s been ignored and left to be used as storage. Not good when tourism is trying to be promoted, it’s a glaringly obvious site of dereliction. Maybe IOMG have a plan to bring over hip trendy London arty types to board the site and paint scenes, masking the site from the public? 

I thought securing the cliff face was a major obstacle to any development? Who would be responsible for paying for that, probably substantial amount? IOMG or developer?

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1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said:

I thought securing the cliff face was a major obstacle to any development? Who would be responsible for paying for that, probably substantial amount? IOMG or developer?

The main problem they had with securing that cliff face was the former DD owner who still owned the house on Strathallan Road who threatened to sue the government into next week if anything happened that undermined his property. He’s been gone a good few years now so the problem may now have gone away. 

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10 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The main problem they had with securing that cliff face was the former DD owner who still owned the house on Strathallan Road who threatened to sue the government into next week if anything happened that undermined his property. He’s been gone a good few years now so the problem may now have gone away. 

I think the roadway would have shown signs of collapse if there were any risk at all? The cliff face was secured when they built Summerland!

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31 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Pretty sure it’s granite. It won’t be going anywhere.

Maybe we could make expensive paving slabs from it? It will save a few carbons not having to ship them all the way from China. 

 

Didn't the Wave project fall through as the Government was unwilling to spend the £500k (at the time) on securing the cliff face? They lost out on £35m of private investment because of it. 

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I've just been reading through this resurrected thread from its first posting, getting on for 13 years ago. What has happened to progress this site in that time other than for it to be used as a depot for Promenade project materials? I've screenshot what I felt to be an apt exchange, with the benefit of hindsight. Whose prediction was more accurate at the time?

I wonder how many people within Govt with responsibility for taking the Island and such sites forward have departed with wheelbarrow capacity pensions in this 13 years?

 

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9 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I've just been reading through this resurrected thread from its first posting, getting on for 13 years ago. What has happened to progress this site in that time other than for it to be used as a depot for Promenade project materials? I've screenshot what I felt to be an apt exchange, with the benefit of hindsight. Whose prediction was more accurate at the time?

I wonder how many people within Govt with responsibility for taking the Island and such sites forward have departed with wheelbarrow capacity pensions in this 13 years?

 

Screenshot_20211124-154942_Chrome.jpg

They were wrong in that freehold of the site was always going to stay with Government. 

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3 hours ago, Max Power said:

I, like most people, am sick to death of the long term bomb sites around the centre of Douglas, some of them are more than twenty years in the making and most over fifteen years. This is a damning testimony to the lack of governance on the island, that they would allow demolition, or even deliberately force it, to stick the spokes into any future use of a site by other operators. 

We are governed by thick twats who are way out of their depth, I don't see much improvement on the horizon!

The Old Lord Street Bus Station, Park Road, The Old Nurses Home, Ballacloan School and Fairfield School. 

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