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The premises are being Leased to the Trust and Dandara are being paid the same rental fee that Douglas Corporation required for the posters to be erected on their lamposts, this rate is paid to all the other companies where banners or posters are erected.

 

 

The outcome of the reason why Buster was sacked was made Public, that being the Employent Tribunal issued an Order (that the Commissioneers including Beecroft) had admitted that he had been dismissed unfairly, what we dont know is what was the pay out to Buster as the Commissioners required that the finacial payment had to remain confidential, why when it is public money that has been paid out? Come on Pam you can tell us on behalf of Kate cant you?

 

There is a further claim now for unlawul dissmisal, the Commissioners Buster and a full army of advocates were noticed in the Regency this week, was this a make up and kiss party, would Beecroft tell us how much BPC have paid in legal fees todate, how much they will spend in bringing this matter to a conclusion, and what offers Buster has made to date to settle this todate?

So, how do you know all of the above? You seem to know more than Lewin lets on to know? Who are you?

Posted 25 April 2010 - 08:45 PM

 

Woodford used a local company to obtain locations and permissions, i was contacted by them and agreed to them putting them on my scaffolding erected through out Dougalas East.

 

 

 

He says he has some scaffolding around douglas east with some posters on, should be easy to find out who he is.

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So the issue of transparecy doesnt apply to the Lib Van Party then as it relates to their audited accounts, or what Directorships all the candidates hold, we already know Robertshaw has shares with Lacey in the Sefton so why would Lacey want to back to Woodford when he has a fellow shareholder to act in the best interests of the Sefton already made, after all, the Sefton own very large proportions of Esat Douglas many of which require planning permissions and Government support, take the Wave for example, this could explain why Robertshaw has flown in from his remote property on the crosby hillside. Strange why not stand in Middle for both Beecroft and Robertshaw, why do they want to stand in East Douglas?

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Nice long lunch was it?

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why not stand in Middle for both Beecroft and Robertshaw, why do they want to stand in East Douglas?

What???? And have to challenge the mighty intellect and consistent success of the present incumbent? :ph34r:

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So the issue of transparecy doesnt apply to the Lib Van Party then as it relates to their audited accounts, or what Directorships all the candidates hold, we already know Robertshaw has shares with Lacey in the Sefton so why would Lacey want to back to Woodford when he has a fellow shareholder to act in the best interests of the Sefton already made, after all, the Sefton own very large proportions of Esat Douglas many of which require planning permissions and Government support, take the Wave for example, this could explain why Robertshaw has flown in from his remote property on the crosby hillside. Strange why not stand in Middle for both Beecroft and Robertshaw, why do they want to stand in East Douglas?

Right, so LVP should release their accounts but MET shouldn't. Why? MET's accounts presently hold a lot more value, at least LVP have disclosed their agenda and policies.

 

Buster's dismissal is pretty irrelevant (although it does not reflect well on Beecroft) - read the reports indications about his 'leadership abilities'.

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we already know Robertshaw has shares with Lacey in the Sefton so why would Lacey want to back to Woodford when he has a fellow shareholder to act in the best interests of the Sefton already made, after all, the Sefton own very large proportions of Esat Douglas many of which require planning permissions and Government support, take the Wave for example, this could explain why Robertshaw has flown in from his remote property on the crosby hillside. Strange why not stand in Middle for both Beecroft and Robertshaw, why do they want to stand in East Douglas?

At least everyone knows about it. Nothing hidden or covert....So,again, who are you Heifer? You seem to embrace openness?

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The issue of transparency should apply to all. That is all the majority here are asking for.

 

A sad day to be Manx - all this bickering. Please don't forget who all this affects and disconnects - us, the poor sodding electorate.

 

I think we need to change the ROPA, which has not one mention of the word 'transparency' or 'transparent' in it at all. Until then, this inclines me to do nothing but vote for 'none of the above'.

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Just hang on a sec while I put me innocent face on....Ok, that's got it.

 

What I was thinkin' was, wouldn't it be a good idea if there was a tax strategy involved in creating a trust to support candidates for an election to Government? Something like this , maybe.

 

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For example, a charitable gift annuity can provide you or your loved one with the security of regular, fixed payments that do not change with fluctuations in the market. With a charitable remainder trust, you can reduce or eliminate income tax, capital gains tax and/or estate taxes, as well as provide income for yourself and/or your loved ones for a set period of time or for life. Through a bequest to Heifer Foundation, you can create a perpetual, living legacy that will help needy families, and, ultimately, communities around the globe become healthy, strong and self-sufficient. Many more options are available through our planned charitable giving department.

 

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Or click on an planned charitable giving instrument to read more about the benefits of each:

 

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So the issue of transparecy doesnt apply to the Lib Van Party then as it relates to their audited accounts, or what Directorships all the candidates hold, we already know Robertshaw has shares with Lacey in the Sefton so why would Lacey want to back to Woodford when he has a fellow shareholder to act in the best interests of the Sefton already made, after all, the Sefton own very large proportions of Esat Douglas many of which require planning permissions and Government support, take the Wave for example, this could explain why Robertshaw has flown in from his remote property on the crosby hillside. Strange why not stand in Middle for both Beecroft and Robertshaw, why do they want to stand in East Douglas?

 

Nobody except you is arguing that about Lib Vannin they will publish accounts in the usual way. They have been honest at the outset, they are a political party.

 

If the LDV candidate had a conflict of interest she is obliged to disclose that, if she hasn't made any such disclosure then there won't be a conflict to disclose.

 

Why would Lacy back Woodford? Might it be because they share the glue of Christianity to bind them maybe? Could it be a possibility that evangelical christians have decided to pool money and resources to promote candidates of their own hue and conviction? We simply don't know either way at the present moment in time do we? However, Mr G. F. Lacey is a public christian, as is Mr Woodford too. Again it is not unreasonable to ask under the circumstance, are they connected under this so called "Trust"?

 

What is it that binds the "businessmen" together in this financial activity? Most importantly who are they? The claim that they wish to remain unnamed so that they can't influence the candidate is childish nonsense isn't it? The "Trustees" are supposed to run the "Trust" but then we have no idea who they are or why they had been selected in the first place either do we? So who picked them and why?

 

As for Mr. Robertson I have no idea what his religious convictions are but then as he is not taking anything from the "Trust" and has not made any statement regarding funding from anyone, I don't much care to speculate one way or the other.

 

Mr. Woodford's statement about not receiving any financial benefit from the "Trust" cannot be correct can it? Not when his political efforts are being strongly supported in that way. Should he be elected then that support will have been instrumental in allowing him to be paid as an MHK wouldn't it? That's a financial benefit isn't it? Not having to pay for an office or support staff or publication costs that's a financial benefit isn't it?

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Waffle

 

Do you not see that you're not doing your position any good at all? A little lesson in propaganda is called for:

 

The more you avoid the issue through attacks on the other side, the more evasive and partisan you seem. The more evasive and partisan you seem, the more tainted your opinions appear. The more tainted you appear, the less seriously people take you and the more insulted they feel by your mere presence and apparent pretence. Once this reaches a critical point, which it already has, every single post you make, every accusation you level, every question you raise, just provides ammunition to those who think you're full of crap; which in this case is everyone.

 

The process is accelerated and its outcome magnified when the very issue of the discussion is honesty and transpency!

 

If you're not bright enough to understand this, pass it on to someone who is and who will come on here and engage in an honest debate instead of engaging in all this tiresome dancing around bullshit.

 

Until then, this inclines me to do nothing but vote for 'none of the above'.

 

I've felt much the same, but I think the 2011 election is too important for that. Apathy will do little but offer an opportunity for those who don't need your vote to prosper. As I've said before, it's better to vote against the worst of them, even if it means voting for someone in whom you don't have total confidence, than to offer the worst a chance of prospering by not voting at all.

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Buster has alreay stated on Manx Radio they will publish their accounts, has the Chairman of the Lib Vannin Party ensured theirs have been published since they were founded some years ago, lets see if they include all donations or support to the Party, if not why not?

 

The same goes for Robertshaw backers the PAG and is the Sefton supporting him?

 

Have just found out that the Lib Van is an exclusive club, they decide if they will let you join, so they then decide who can stand as Lib Van member.

 

Can Pat Ayres tell us if the Liberal Vannin Party is affilated to the UK Liberal Party, as this has to be of very serious concern to us manxies when Vince Cable has stated on numerious occassions he wants to close the Island down. Pat hasnt stated yet if the Lib Van Party would allow Beecroft to take a postion in Government, they didnt with Bill Malarkey, in fact as he said it was the non elected executive of the Party that was forming Policy which he had to follow, as Beecroft was the Chairman, she obviuslly didnt have concerns about controlling the elected member of the Party.

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The issue of transparency should apply to all. That is all the majority here are asking for.

 

A sad day to be Manx - all this bickering. Please don't forget who all this affects and disconnects - us, the poor sodding electorate.

 

I think we need to change the ROPA, which has not one mention of the word 'transparency' or 'transparent' in it at all. Until then, this inclines me to do nothing but vote for 'none of the above'.

 

With respect, I think this is a fantastic day to be Manx, a day to be proud of, because the bullshite and the insulting statements from Lewin and Woodford are being torn to shreds as befits a vibrant and functioning democratic process.

 

I want to know if the candidate being elected is for the general good, reasoned and reasoning, and not some christian fundamentalist with ingrained prejudice against "others outwith" his own particular set of convictions.

 

So dig on, and peel away until the truth is there to be seen, whatever it is.

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Buster has alreay stated on Manx Radio they will publish their accounts, has the Chairman of the Lib Vannin Party ensured theirs have been published since they were founded some years ago, lets see if they include all donations or support to the Party, if not why not?

 

The same goes for Robertshaw backers the PAG and is the Sefton supporting him?

 

Have just found out that the Lib Van is an exclusive club, they decide if they will let you join, so they then decide who can stand as Lib Van member.

 

Can Pat Ayres tell us if the Liberal Vannin Party is affilated to the UK Liberal Party, as this has to be of very serious concern to us manxies when Vince Cable has stated on numerious occassions he wants to close the Island down. Pat hasnt stated yet if the Lib Van Party would allow Beecroft to take a postion in Government, they didnt with Bill Malarkey, in fact as he said it was the non elected executive of the Party that was forming Policy which he had to follow, as Beecroft was the Chairman, she obviuslly didnt have concerns about controlling the elected member of the Party.

 

So Buster has stated that the "Trust" will publish its accounts has he? By your own questions are we to take it that all doners to the "Trust" will be indentified along with sums donated? If not why not?

 

If the Lib Vannin Party is exclusive it's got a very wide definition of the word exclusive. Anyone can join a political party the presumption being anyone would do so if they shared the Party's political views. So it's not as exclusive as the "Trust" is it? Given that so few are in the know about who created it, funded it, and how it picked the candidate to support. If it is so general in it's intentions then why didn't it offer to financially assist all the candidates standing in Douglas East? What was it about the other candidates that ruled them out for assistance? What was it about Woodford that made him so attractive a prospect?

 

As for the Lib Vannin affiliation, all Liberal parties are affiliated to each other, it's because the share the Liberal political platform. What is your point? Are you suggesting that if the Liberals win significant political position in the UK that is good or bad? I am only speculating here, but wouldn't it be positive to have a Liberal politicians on the IOM able to speak directly to other Liberal politicans in the UK to promote the IOM? Just an idea.

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Buster has alreay stated on Manx Radio they will publish their accounts, has the Chairman of the Lib Vannin Party ensured theirs have been published since they were founded some years ago, lets see if they include all donations or support to the Party, if not why not?

 

The same goes for Robertshaw backers the PAG and is the Sefton supporting him?

 

Have just found out that the Lib Van is an exclusive club, they decide if they will let you join, so they then decide who can stand as Lib Van member.

 

Can Pat Ayres tell us if the Liberal Vannin Party is affilated to the UK Liberal Party, as this has to be of very serious concern to us manxies when Vince Cable has stated on numerious occassions he wants to close the Island down. Pat hasnt stated yet if the Lib Van Party would allow Beecroft to take a postion in Government, they didnt with Bill Malarkey, in fact as he said it was the non elected executive of the Party that was forming Policy which he had to follow, as Beecroft was the Chairman, she obviuslly didnt have concerns about controlling the elected member of the Party.

 

Kevin. The old saying: when your in a hole stop digging....

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