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Just get it sorted so more houses can be built

I agree, more houses, more income, rates go down???

Sorry dodger but won't be attending the meeting, perhaps will take more of an interest when I see something positive being done around the town by the powers that be. Sorting out the Michael Street fiasco would be a start..pedestrianise it totally with barriers before someone is hurt, especially a child!

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Just get it sorted so more houses can be built

I agree, more houses, more income, rates go down???

Sorry dodger but won't be attending the meeting, perhaps will take more of an interest when I see something positive being done around the town by the powers that be. Sorting out the Michael Street fiasco would be a start..pedestrianise it totally with barriers before someone is hurt, especially a child!

I don't understand?

By not attending the meeting, then you accept any decision made and whether it agrees or disagrees with your viewpoints, then you still accept the decision made on the night.

You mentioned the Michael Street fiasco, yet you will not attend and to miss this event which you have serious views on, seems to me that you were running away and letting others say what they want, do what they want and walk over what you believe in?

I seriously don't understand and maybe there's personal or other reasons why you don't do so, but it still makes me uneasy that you've accepted their decision, regardless of what you truly feel.

I wish you well with your decision, but if it means so much, then speak out or forever hold your peace. I'm sure that there's others who would like to speak what they mean, but if nothing is said and accepted grudgingly, then people have only themselves to blame.

Just go there stanleyfan and say what you mean and whether others back you or not, you can at least hold your head up high and if you get the chance where the shit hits the fan, you can then tell them, 'I told you so' Please go!

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Just get it sorted so more houses can be built

I agree, more houses, more income, rates go down???

Sorry dodger but won't be attending the meeting, perhaps will take more of an interest when I see something positive being done around the town by the powers that be. Sorting out the Michael Street fiasco would be a start..pedestrianise it totally with barriers before someone is hurt, especially a child!

I don't understand?

By not attending the meeting, then you accept any decision made and whether it agrees or disagrees with your viewpoints, then you still accept the decision made on the night.

You mentioned the Michael Street fiasco, yet you will not attend and to miss this event which you have serious views on, seems to me that you were running away and letting others say what they want, do what they want and walk over what you believe in?

I seriously don't understand and maybe there's personal or other reasons why you don't do so, but it still makes me uneasy that you've accepted their decision, regardless of what you truly feel.

I wish you well with your decision, but if it means so much, then speak out or forever hold your peace. I'm sure that there's others who would like to speak what they mean, but if nothing is said and accepted grudgingly, then people have only themselves to blame.

Just go there stanleyfan and say what you mean and whether others back you or not, you can at least hold your head up high and if you get the chance where the shit hits the fan, you can then tell them, 'I told you so' Please go!

 

Thanks Manxy, this is my point, the meeting has been called and this is your opportunity to quiz Tim or the board over IRIS and there is a vote at the end.

 

More houses = more rates....More houses = more open spaces = more costs = no change! Add on to that the rate reductions residents claim with the building works and the income goes down, there are still the new open areas to look after of course and the bins emptied and street lights!

 

There has been a solution recommended for Michael Street that was discussed in public on Tuesday, which is to have the flashing signs like the schools have, much cheaper option than a bollard and easy to move around. Just need to get DOI approval! Your friend should be getting a letter soon over the 2 issues he has raised!

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Just get it sorted so more houses can be built

I agree, more houses, more income, rates go down???

Sorry dodger but won't be attending the meeting, perhaps will take more of an interest when I see something positive being done around the town by the powers that be. Sorting out the Michael Street fiasco would be a start..pedestrianise it totally with barriers before someone is hurt, especially a child!

I don't understand?

By not attending the meeting, then you accept any decision made and whether it agrees or disagrees with your viewpoints, then you still accept the decision made on the night.

You mentioned the Michael Street fiasco, yet you will not attend and to miss this event which you have serious views on, seems to me that you were running away and letting others say what they want, do what they want and walk over what you believe in?

I seriously don't understand and maybe there's personal or other reasons why you don't do so, but it still makes me uneasy that you've accepted their decision, regardless of what you truly feel.

I wish you well with your decision, but if it means so much, then speak out or forever hold your peace. I'm sure that there's others who would like to speak what they mean, but if nothing is said and accepted grudgingly, then people have only themselves to blame.

Just go there stanleyfan and say what you mean and whether others back you or not, you can at least hold your head up high and if you get the chance where the shit hits the fan, you can then tell them, 'I told you so' Please go!

 

Thanks Manxy, this is my point, the meeting has been called and this is your opportunity to quiz Tim or the board over IRIS and there is a vote at the end.

 

More houses = more rates....More houses = more open spaces = more costs = no change! Add on to that the rate reductions residents claim with the building works and the income goes down, there are still the new open areas to look after of course and the bins emptied and street lights!

 

There has been a solution recommended for Michael Street that was discussed in public on Tuesday, which is to have the flashing signs like the schools have, much cheaper option than a bollard and easy to move around. Just need to get DOI approval! Your friend should be getting a letter soon over the 2 issues he has raised!

 

Flyers went out today, sorry if anyone has been missed, you are all welcome. Particularly if you are a Peel resident! :D

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Just get it sorted so more houses can be built

I agree, more houses, more income, rates go down???

Sorry dodger but won't be attending the meeting, perhaps will take more of an interest when I see something positive being done around the town by the powers that be. Sorting out the Michael Street fiasco would be a start..pedestrianise it totally with barriers before someone is hurt, especially a child!

I don't understand?

By not attending the meeting, then you accept any decision made and whether it agrees or disagrees with your viewpoints, then you still accept the decision made on the night.

You mentioned the Michael Street fiasco, yet you will not attend and to miss this event which you have serious views on, seems to me that you were running away and letting others say what they want, do what they want and walk over what you believe in?

I seriously don't understand and maybe there's personal or other reasons why you don't do so, but it still makes me uneasy that you've accepted their decision, regardless of what you truly feel.

I wish you well with your decision, but if it means so much, then speak out or forever hold your peace. I'm sure that there's others who would like to speak what they mean, but if nothing is said and accepted grudgingly, then people have only themselves to blame.

Just go there stanleyfan and say what you mean and whether others back you or not, you can at least hold your head up high and if you get the chance where the shit hits the fan, you can then tell them, 'I told you so' Please go!

 

Thanks Manxy, this is my point, the meeting has been called and this is your opportunity to quiz Tim or the board over IRIS and there is a vote at the end.

 

More houses = more rates....More houses = more open spaces = more costs = no change! Add on to that the rate reductions residents claim with the building works and the income goes down, there are still the new open areas to look after of course and the bins emptied and street lights!

 

There has been a solution recommended for Michael Street that was discussed in public on Tuesday, which is to have the flashing signs like the schools have, much cheaper option than a bollard and easy to move around. Just need to get DOI approval! Your friend should be getting a letter soon over the 2 issues he has raised!

 

Flyers went out today, sorry if anyone has been missed, you are all welcome. Particularly if you are a Peel resident! :D

Must be getting to Tim, he is saying that the meeting to discuss IRIS is a waste of cash (IOM Examiner 25th May)- In a written answer to a question from Peter Karran (Q35) 18th May, he states it is a saving to have a regional strategy by 6.4 million, he is still leaving in the central valley costs of 6.7 million, which are seperately costed, using his figures still a £300,000 saving to link to Meary Veg! OOPS :nuke:

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Well, I’ve just sat through the public meeting .... there might not (allegedly) be a smell from the proposed plant ... but there sure is a bad smell from the figures. There is certainly enough smoke and mirrors with these numbers that something is not right.

 

Rodgers expert (unpaid its worth pointing out) gave a very clear and detailed account of where the errors were to be found.

 

For his part our MHK preferred to leave the reply to his team of off island consultants (at a cost of £3000 to the Manx taxpayer – by Tim’s own admission) to show a powerpoint presentation which few could see (who could have anticipated the sunny evening) and even fewer were impressed by the glossy sales jargon more suited to a boardroom than a public meeting.

 

 

Did anyone else notice that none of the questions were answered; each was evaded or stone-walled. Tim even said “you will not get any answers tonight” .... why not Tim, can’t we be trusted with the truth, or do you simply think we are too thick to understand?

 

 

For added entertainment we had the usual snipping between commissioners I even overheard a couple outside making unprofessional and derogatory comments about a colleague.

 

 

And, to top it all off ... what was concluded, well there was a vote but as ever the chairman did not bother to state “for the record” how the vote went so I guess, as usual, every side will claim victory.

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Well, I’ve just sat through the public meeting .... there might not (allegedly) be a smell from the proposed plant ... but there sure is a bad smell from the figures. There is certainly enough smoke and mirrors with these numbers that something is not right.

 

Rodgers expert (unpaid its worth pointing out) gave a very clear and detailed account of where the errors were to be found.

 

For his part our MHK preferred to leave the reply to his team of off island consultants (at a cost of £3000 to the Manx taxpayer – by Tim’s own admission) to show a powerpoint presentation which few could see (who could have anticipated the sunny evening) and even fewer were impressed by the glossy sales jargon more suited to a boardroom than a public meeting.

 

 

Did anyone else notice that none of the questions were answered; each was evaded or stone-walled. Tim even said “you will not get any answers tonight” .... why not Tim, can’t we be trusted with the truth, or do you simply think we are too thick to understand?

 

 

For added entertainment we had the usual snipping between commissioners I even overheard a couple outside making unprofessional and derogatory comments about a colleague.

 

 

And, to top it all off ... what was concluded, well there was a vote but as ever the chairman did not bother to state “for the record” how the vote went so I guess, as usual, every side will claim victory.

 

PalJan, apologies, I read out the questions and took the vote to be conclusive on all three and will be putting that to the public accounts committee, it was based on a show of hands and vocal support once I had clarified the questions a bit better, it is never easy talking to a hall of people!

 

The Commissioners will "snipe" as 4 are in favour of the regional treatment option, the rest would change their stance if it was enclosed and therefore no smell or visual blight!

 

There now is the issue of costs so housing it is not really the way to go as there is a potential multi million pound saving linking to Meary Veg, the figures need to be checked by an independent body such as the public accounts committee to verify the figures.

 

Thanks for coming last night, far to nice an evening to be spent cooped up in a meeting over sewage! :D

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Who were the off island Consultants? If they were the same ones that did Archallagan their figures never added up!

 

AECOM are the off island consultants with Hyder consulting managing the project. AECOM are specialists in sewage treatment so I don't think that they would have been involved in Archallagan. Hyder consulting probably were as they are more a management consultant firm who look after projects. I have had a heated discussion with their rep over IRIS and the "Client" percentages in the best guesses part of the 2007 document.

 

Treasury needs to check figures from the consultants prior to it going to Tynwald to be voted upon, a lot of financial errors could be picked up if they did, they do after all have an internal audit team who would report back to the department.

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For his part our MHK preferred to leave the reply to his team of off island consultants (at a cost of £3000 to the Manx taxpayer – by Tim’s own admission) to show a powerpoint presentation which few could see (who could have anticipated the sunny evening) and even fewer were impressed by the glossy sales jargon more suited to a boardroom than a public meeting.

 

I didn't realise we had a team of local sewerage disposal experts. Maybe you should forward their details to what ever department is in change of the scheme so they can "shop local".

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For his part our MHK preferred to leave the reply to his team of off island consultants (at a cost of £3000 to the Manx taxpayer – by Tim’s own admission) to show a powerpoint presentation which few could see (who could have anticipated the sunny evening) and even fewer were impressed by the glossy sales jargon more suited to a boardroom than a public meeting.

 

I didn't realise we had a team of local sewerage disposal experts. Maybe you should forward their details to what ever department is in change of the scheme so they can "shop local".

 

You don't need to be a sewage expert to see the figures don't add up!

 

The Government's tender process is also flawed, as you have to be a Government registered company to be able to get the work! This seems to mean that most large contracts go off island when it is easy to see that employing local businesses keeps the money on island and it has a bigger impact for the economy as more money is circulated.

 

The last problem is that no-one on the departments side actually answered any questions! The presentation was the background to the regional strategy and no figures were gone in to! It was not a roadshow, but that is what they used it for........ This is what we want answers too!

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For added entertainment we had the usual snipping between commissioners I even overheard a couple outside making unprofessional and derogatory comments about a colleague.

 

Exactly what I said initially!!

 

Water off a ducks back! I put my head above the parapet and will get the occassional stone lobbed, the issue is important and needs to be sorted!

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I didn't realise we had a team of local sewerage disposal experts. Maybe you should forward their details to what ever department is in change of the scheme so they can "shop local".

 

You don't need to be a sewage expert to see the figures don't add up!

 

The Government's tender process is also flawed, as you have to be a Government registered company to be able to get the work! This seems to mean that most large contracts go off island when it is easy to see that employing local businesses keeps the money on island and it has a bigger impact for the economy as more money is circulated.

 

The last problem is that no-one on the departments side actually answered any questions! The presentation was the background to the regional strategy and no figures were gone in to! It was not a roadshow, but that is what they used it for........ This is what we want answers too!

 

Yes you have to be a "Government Registered" company, actually on the List of Approved Contractors, to be allowed to tender for Government contracts. To get on the said list is quite straight forward and all company's should meet the requirements. For large contracts it is a case of financial stability, to tender a 10 million contract requires large resources behind the company and on island there are few contractors that could finance such a large contract. The main contractor is often then from the UK but uses local contractors for the actual works.

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