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All the Japanese manufacturers are involved through their UK race teams. This despite the economic situation which has seen massive sponsorship cutbacks in motorcycle racing worldwide.

 

There is only room for one partner in each area as far as I am aware so it wouldn't be possible for Alpine Stars, Shoei, Red Bull etc to be accomodated at the same time. Porsche getting involved last year caused Subaru to want to do it this year for example.

 

If you are trying to say that the TT is dying because of lack of interest you are barking up the wrong tree, it's thriving like it always has. The racing may have stagnated due to a lack of investment and focus a few years back but the fans have always been there and it has been resurgent.

The biggest threat to the TT is insurance, the event will not be able to run without the risks being underwritten, either by an insurer or the government who could pass a premium on to competitors or just lodge an amount to cover eventualities? That is where the conversation on whether the government should or should not be enabling the event will strike up again. I still believe that it should!

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Many years ago almost ALL racing was on circuits such as the TT course. However many drivers/riders were getting killed and the universal attitude was enough is enough. Since then (lates 60s/early 70s) all the road racing circuits have either gone or improved dramatically toan extent where fatalities are now almost nil

 

Except the Isle of Man which seems to be stuck in the dark ages ....

 

One day we (or our children) will look back on these days and think why did we let this madness happen for so long when the world moved on many decades earlier

 

That is just not true. I notice you haven't named a circuit from the late 60's/early 70's or before that is comparable to the TT course. That is because there aren't any.

Also the popularity of road racing is increasing not decreasing with new events, new riders and teams and continued and increased interest from major manufacturers.

It is very easy to accuse the IOM of being stuck in the dark ages, I have heard the same argument used at our allowing of greenlaning. The simple fact is though it is not true.

 

I can ..............Clermont Ferrand, Montjuich, Eifelrennen, Clady, Assen, Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, Geneva, Sachsenring, Albi, Charade ...how many more would you like me to name. All used at World championship level at some point and either altered to be made safer or no longer exist due to fatalities.

 

As for increased interest from major manufacturers can you name some please? Where is the interest from the MAJOR advertisers/sponsors ....none because they don't want to be associated with death in sport

 

Sorry Monkey Boy but on this you're talking through your backside

 

Not one of those tracks could be compared with the IOM TT and as for Major Sponsors open you eyes.

The Japanese Government announced last year that it was to develop its own TT type road track, Canada is also looking into the possibilities of a new road Track, Poland have identified a new Road track and is waiting for its licence. Belgium will also have a new road track next year to replace the old track at Ostend. Hengilo in Holland has been running for years and is to have a new paddock/Pitt area built this year. Chimay Belgiums Road track still being used, Schlieze Germany, Frohburge Germany, Terlioco and Horice Czech Republic all public road track, and I could name many more than get full enytries for every meeting.

 

MaxPower the insurance for thids years TT is £550 per rider per race.

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Many years ago almost ALL racing was on circuits such as the TT course. However many drivers/riders were getting killed and the universal attitude was enough is enough. Since then (lates 60s/early 70s) all the road racing circuits have either gone or improved dramatically toan extent where fatalities are now almost nil

 

Except the Isle of Man which seems to be stuck in the dark ages ....

 

One day we (or our children) will look back on these days and think why did we let this madness happen for so long when the world moved on many decades earlier

 

That is just not true. I notice you haven't named a circuit from the late 60's/early 70's or before that is comparable to the TT course. That is because there aren't any.

Also the popularity of road racing is increasing not decreasing with new events, new riders and teams and continued and increased interest from major manufacturers.

It is very easy to accuse the IOM of being stuck in the dark ages, I have heard the same argument used at our allowing of greenlaning. The simple fact is though it is not true.

 

I can ..............Clermont Ferrand, Montjuich, Eifelrennen, Clady, Assen, Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, Geneva, Sachsenring, Albi, Charade ...how many more would you like me to name. All used at World championship level at some point and either altered to be made safer or no longer exist due to fatalities.

 

As for increased interest from major manufacturers can you name some please? Where is the interest from the MAJOR advertisers/sponsors ....none because they don't want to be associated with death in sport

 

Sorry Monkey Boy but on this you're talking through your backside

 

Not one of those tracks could be compared with the IOM TT and as for Major Sponsors open you eyes.

The Japanese Government announced last year that it was to develop its own TT type road track, Canada is also looking into the possibilities of a new road Track, Poland have identified a new Road track and is waiting for its licence. Belgium will also have a new road track next year to replace the old track at Ostend. Hengilo in Holland has been running for years and is to have a new paddock/Pitt area built this year. Chimay Belgiums Road track still being used, Schlieze Germany, Frohburge Germany, Terlioco and Horice Czech Republic all public road track, and I could name many more than get full enytries for every meeting.

 

MaxPower the insurance for thids years TT is £550 per rider per race.

 

How many riders have been killed on these tracks you mention? Major sponsors? My eyes are open! As for Jap manufacturers at the TT, they are only here because teams PAY the factories to be here. The days of teh factories being at teh TT because they chose to have long gone. They don't even put anything into Moto2 in the world championship. It's all MotoGP these days

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XPert, things have changed as you say. Moto2 is designed to discourage factory involvement. WSBK doesn't even have direct factory involvement for some of the teams, they rely on some specialist team to do it for them.

 

Yes ThankU it is a high premium which will probably increase as time goes by. That is the real threat to the TT and MGP, the possibility that an underwriter can not be found!

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Many years ago almost ALL racing was on circuits such as the TT course. However many drivers/riders were getting killed and the universal attitude was enough is enough. Since then (lates 60s/early 70s) all the road racing circuits have either gone or improved dramatically toan extent where fatalities are now almost nil

 

Except the Isle of Man which seems to be stuck in the dark ages ....

 

One day we (or our children) will look back on these days and think why did we let this madness happen for so long when the world moved on many decades earlier

 

That is just not true. I notice you haven't named a circuit from the late 60's/early 70's or before that is comparable to the TT course. That is because there aren't any.

Also the popularity of road racing is increasing not decreasing with new events, new riders and teams and continued and increased interest from major manufacturers.

It is very easy to accuse the IOM of being stuck in the dark ages, I have heard the same argument used at our allowing of greenlaning. The simple fact is though it is not true.

 

I can ..............Clermont Ferrand, Montjuich, Eifelrennen, Clady, Assen, Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, Geneva, Sachsenring, Albi, Charade ...how many more would you like me to name. All used at World championship level at some point and either altered to be made safer or no longer exist due to fatalities.

 

As for increased interest from major manufacturers can you name some please? Where is the interest from the MAJOR advertisers/sponsors ....none because they don't want to be associated with death in sport

 

Sorry Monkey Boy but on this you're talking through your backside

 

Not one of those tracks could be compared with the IOM TT and as for Major Sponsors open you eyes.

The Japanese Government announced last year that it was to develop its own TT type road track, Canada is also looking into the possibilities of a new road Track, Poland have identified a new Road track and is waiting for its licence. Belgium will also have a new road track next year to replace the old track at Ostend. Hengilo in Holland has been running for years and is to have a new paddock/Pitt area built this year. Chimay Belgiums Road track still being used, Schlieze Germany, Frohburge Germany, Terlioco and Horice Czech Republic all public road track, and I could name many more than get full enytries for every meeting.

 

MaxPower the insurance for thids years TT is £550 per rider per race.

 

How many riders have been killed on these tracks you mention? Major sponsors? My eyes are open! As for Jap manufacturers at the TT, they are only here because teams PAY the factories to be hereWhat a load of Tosh. The days of teh factories being at teh TT because they chose to have long goneHowmany Factory teams in F1. They don't even put anything into Moto2 in the world championship. It's all MotoGP these days

 

There have been riders killed at all of these tracks and maybe more in years to come, so what. Moto2 Now I thought HRC were behind that with the engines ???. This years TT will have the official Factory Yamaha Team competing and Possibly BMW.

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Many years ago almost ALL racing was on circuits such as the TT course. However many drivers/riders were getting killed and the universal attitude was enough is enough. Since then (lates 60s/early 70s) all the road racing circuits have either gone or improved dramatically toan extent where fatalities are now almost nil

 

Except the Isle of Man which seems to be stuck in the dark ages ....

 

One day we (or our children) will look back on these days and think why did we let this madness happen for so long when the world moved on many decades earlier

 

That is just not true. I notice you haven't named a circuit from the late 60's/early 70's or before that is comparable to the TT course. That is because there aren't any.

Also the popularity of road racing is increasing not decreasing with new events, new riders and teams and continued and increased interest from major manufacturers.

It is very easy to accuse the IOM of being stuck in the dark ages, I have heard the same argument used at our allowing of greenlaning. The simple fact is though it is not true.

 

I can ..............Clermont Ferrand, Montjuich, Eifelrennen, Clady, Assen, Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, Geneva, Sachsenring, Albi, Charade ...how many more would you like me to name. All used at World championship level at some point and either altered to be made safer or no longer exist due to fatalities.

 

As for increased interest from major manufacturers can you name some please? Where is the interest from the MAJOR advertisers/sponsors ....none because they don't want to be associated with death in sport

 

Sorry Monkey Boy but on this you're talking through your backside

 

Not one of those tracks could be compared with the IOM TT and as for Major Sponsors open you eyes.

The Japanese Government announced last year that it was to develop its own TT type road track, Canada is also looking into the possibilities of a new road Track, Poland have identified a new Road track and is waiting for its licence. Belgium will also have a new road track next year to replace the old track at Ostend. Hengilo in Holland has been running for years and is to have a new paddock/Pitt area built this year. Chimay Belgiums Road track still being used, Schlieze Germany, Frohburge Germany, Terlioco and Horice Czech Republic all public road track, and I could name many more than get full enytries for every meeting.

 

MaxPower the insurance for thids years TT is £550 per rider per race.

 

How many riders have been killed on these tracks you mention? Major sponsors? My eyes are open! As for Jap manufacturers at the TT, they are only here because teams PAY the factories to be here. The days of teh factories being at teh TT because they chose to have long gone. They don't even put anything into Moto2 in the world championship. It's all MotoGP these days

all the moto2 engines are supplied by honda, the whole point of moto2 was to level the playing field ( a bit like F1 finance restrictions ) to allow more teams to be able to 'compete' and get rid of the cheque book racing aspect of it. it still is to a certain extent but tyres and engines are all the same.

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No it wouldn't, it is a purpose built race track, not a public road. Racing was stopped on the original nurburgring because F1 drivers at the time considered it too dangerous in a similar way in which world championship motorcycle racing was stopped on the TT course because of the thoughts of some competitors.

 

 

That's where you're wrong, the Nurburgring is still classed as a public road and the law of the road still applies there. Drivers/riders can still get penalised by the local traffic police who regularly use a police helicopter to monitor the road.

It was purpose built as a race track, not a public road! The fact that it is now used as a public road is irrelevant.

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Many years ago almost ALL racing was on circuits such as the TT course. However many drivers/riders were getting killed and the universal attitude was enough is enough. Since then (lates 60s/early 70s) all the road racing circuits have either gone or improved dramatically toan extent where fatalities are now almost nil

 

Except the Isle of Man which seems to be stuck in the dark ages ....

 

One day we (or our children) will look back on these days and think why did we let this madness happen for so long when the world moved on many decades earlier

 

That is just not true. I notice you haven't named a circuit from the late 60's/early 70's or before that is comparable to the TT course. That is because there aren't any.

Also the popularity of road racing is increasing not decreasing with new events, new riders and teams and continued and increased interest from major manufacturers.

It is very easy to accuse the IOM of being stuck in the dark ages, I have heard the same argument used at our allowing of greenlaning. The simple fact is though it is not true.

 

I can ..............Clermont Ferrand, Montjuich, Eifelrennen, Clady, Assen, Le Mans, Nurburgring, Spa, Geneva, Sachsenring, Albi, Charade ...how many more would you like me to name. All used at World championship level at some point and either altered to be made safer or no longer exist due to fatalities.

 

As for increased interest from major manufacturers can you name some please? Where is the interest from the MAJOR advertisers/sponsors ....none because they don't want to be associated with death in sport

 

Sorry Monkey Boy but on this you're talking through your backside

Now I see why you didn't mention them the first time!

 

Of the circuits you mention four are still used for racing (Clady, Le mans, Nurburgring & Albi), which kinda kicks the ass out of your original argument.

 

Six of the others are less than 5 miles long (Monjuich, Clermont Ferrand, Assen, Geneva, Sachsenring).

 

Racing at Geneva was stopped when the Swiss government decided to ban motor racing outright & was nothing to do with the safety of the circuit.

 

Two of the circuits you mentioned (and this is my personal favorite) are in fact different name for the same track (Clermont Ferrand & Charade)

 

The longest circuit you mentioned Eifelrennen (by some considerable distance) is a shade over HALF the length of the TT course.

 

So presumably you think they are comparable in the same sort of way that chalk is comparable to cheese because the both start with the letter C.

 

An "expert" that actually Knows very little, have you ever thought of consulting for the IOM government, I think you'd be a natural.

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There have been riders killed at all of these tracks and maybe more in years to come, so what. Moto2 Now I thought HRC were behind that with the engines ???. This years TT will have the official Factory Yamaha Team competing and Possibly BMW.

 

But who is paying for this? I think you'll find it's Shaun Muir Racing and not Yamaha. There's a difference between 'Official Factory Yamaha Team' and 'factory support from Yamaha'. Same goes for Honda, etc

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Shaun Muir will not be paying, Yamaha will be providing full factory support at this years TT. And Honda had an official Rider at the TT until he lost his life here a couple of years ago.

 

If you want to grasp at straws then OK, Factories only have teams in Moto GP working on machines that can not be bought from a dealer, ans also provide support for satellite teams

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You know what ThankU - I agree pretty much with everything Mr Martin said.

 

I would like to leave him to just get on with it - and that is why I think the event should fund itself and not take money from the government.

 

Formula 1 doesn't, MotoGP doesn't, why should the TT? If the businesses on the Island do so well from it - they can form a consortium to cover it.

 

Then, they, the competitors and sponsors will pay the full costs. With those who don't want to be involved left to mow their lawns etc.

 

If people want to go and do feats of great danger and skill, I am not going to stop them, and I do genuinely admire them. But I don't think the general tax payer should be their to sponsor their thrills.

 

That is really what the nub of this argument is all about as far as I am concerned. If people want the risks, they should pay the penny, and not expect a bail out from the tax man.

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