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It gets better channel 4 news has just carried a whitehouse press release interview, the woman who stood infront of bin laden is now alive and was only shot in the leg, bin laden himself was not armed but was shot anyway, and they felt informing the pakistani government would of endangered the operation, thats why they acted illegally.

 

"Pakistan received $1.3bn (£786m) in US military and humanitarian aid last year."

 

I'm betting Pakistan don't give a fuck if it was legal or not.

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It gets better channel 4 news has just carried a whitehouse press release interview, the woman who stood infront of bin laden is now alive and was only shot in the leg, bin laden himself was not armed but was shot anyway, and they felt informing the pakistani government would of endangered the operation, thats why they acted illegally.

 

"Pakistan received $1.3bn (£786m) in US military and humanitarian aid last year."

 

I'm betting Pakistan don't give a fuck if it was legal or not.

 

That makes it ok then.

 

Tell me what do you think would happen if a pakistani military snatch squad would of carried out the same type of operation in america on a C.I.A agent they had charges to lay against, you know where some americans were killed.

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That makes it ok then.

 

 

 

I didn't say it was ok, I said I bet they don't give a fuck.

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Your first point is simple semantics.

No, I am saying that it isn't a matter of perspective but how things really are, that's all.

 

Your second point/s even if it is half my estimation thats still a 90% innocents death ratio, not doing a very good job of their "pains to reduce the deaths of civilians" efforts are they, one could actually think they don't give a fuck.
Where do you get this ratio from? All killings in Afghanistan, or Pakistan as well? Is it just the air bombing campaign of 2002 or counter-insurgency warfare undertaken recently?

And yes, they are concerned about civilian deaths, very much so. Not because they care about the lives of civilians and their welfare, but simply because it arouses opposition.

 

Is an unpermissioned military action across another countries borders without even asking for permission not illigal in iternational law then.
I was asking whether you meant Pakistan.

If you mean Pakistan then the Pakistani government has done little to complain about it. The government has been wrangling over the issue, but they have acquiesced to US military involvement in the north of the country for the sake of economic support from the US and aren't averse to greater US influence in Afghanistan.

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That makes it ok then.

 

Tell me what do you think would happen if a pakistani military snatch squad would ofHAVE carried out the same type of operation in america on a C.I.A agent they had charges to lay against, you know where some americans were killed.

That analogy is rather ridiculous. A US spy in American? It's not as if another country would request extradition.

 

You're missing the point that the Pakistani government, as undemocratic as it is, has given the nod to having US forces operate in the country.

 

This isn't an issue of legalities.

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They never gave the nod at all as you put it.

 

Please cite your source or acknowledge its just your opinion, based on aid.

 

 

 

So the worlds a safer place with America ready and willing under what they see as the right circumstances to perform military operations across borders they have no legal right to cross, that makes the world safer how please.

 

Pakistan is a nuclear armed nation, one of the worlds most unstable nuclear powers, volatile and unpredictable.

 

America is currently demonizing Pakistan about bin laden hiding out there, literally accusing them of aiding and abetting him, best form of defense is attack apparently.

 

Asking how bin laden could be living only half a mile from their top military academy without them knowing.

And not showiNg a hint of the hypocrisy in their statements, considering they themselves had several 911 terrorists living in a property directly across the road from an FBI field office, without detection.

 

 

EDIT PS.

 

Your claims that the americans try extremely hard to avoid civilian casualties, can you proof any figures to show any results.

 

Also if they really did care about civilian deaths, then why use munitions that will kill thousands of civilians over the next 3 or 5 decades.

Have they stopped using depleted uranium munitions, if not why not if they truly give a shit as you claim.

Edited by pauld

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Lucky for us, we have our own island expert.

 

I would just like to add my own bit of expertise, as I specialise in the same field as this guy (the 'bleedin obvious'):

 

My view, is that the death of Osama Bin Laden will have: little or no effect on frozen concentrated orange juice futures this year, nor on the immediate price of pork bellies.

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They never gave the nod at all as you put it.

 

Please cite your source or acknowledge its just your opinion, based on aid.

The evidence can be seen in Pakistan's reaction. I am not referring to aid. I am referring to the reaction of the Pakistani government to US military involvement. It's been going on for a while.

Pakistan would have created a right stink in the UN were to be opposed. It hasn't. Moreover, Pakistan has the capability to make things difficult for the US and it hasn't taken any steps.

But there are also significant benefits to Pakistan to having the US get involved. The Taliban influence is disruption and the last thing Pakistan wants is to be seen as harbouring terrorists.

 

So the worlds a safer place with America ready and willing under what they see as the right circumstances to perform military operations across borders they have no legal right to cross, that makes the world safer how please.
And creating straw men is perfectly reasonable? How, please?

(I never said that America is making the world a safer place and I never said their involvement in Pakistan was morally sound.)

 

America is currently demonizing Pakistan about bin laden hiding out there, literally accusing them of aiding and abetting him, best form of defense is attack apparently.
America doesn't have to defend itself in this respect. And criticism of Pakistan on this issue is just a moments complaining. It's not a serious issue. But they are wrong to criticise.

 

Your claims that the americans try extremely hard to avoid civilian casualties, can you proof any figures to show any results.
I don't know about extremely. But they make efforts to avoid civilian casualties, as they must. They have been conducting new counter-insurgency since the 2005 in Iraq and Afghanistan in a return to 'hearts and minds' strategy.

Moreover, they shoot themselves in the foot were they kill discriminately, as they require a lot of intelligence from the civilian population.

To say they have no concern would be stupid considering that they must discriminate to effect their strategy. But that doesn't they care about the people. There is no concern for their lives, but only for the effect their campaign.

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I would just like to add my own bit of expertise, as I specialise in the same field as this guy (the 'bleedin obvious'):
He was no doubt asked the question and he gave a reply. Maybe the interviewer should have asked a better question.

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Message to Gadaffi, compound, military base, Seals, helicopters, time to surrender, how long have the yanks known of the whereabouts of Bin Laden?

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They never gave the nod at all as you put it.

 

Please cite your source or acknowledge its just your opinion, based on aid.

The evidence can be seen in Pakistan's reaction. I am not referring to aid. I am referring to the reaction of the Pakistani government to US military involvement. It's been going on for a while.

Pakistan would have created a right stink in the UN were to be opposed. It hasn't. Moreover, Pakistan has the capability to make things difficult for the US and it hasn't taken any steps.

But there are also significant benefits to Pakistan to having the US get involved. The Taliban influence is disruption and the last thing Pakistan wants is to be seen as harbouring terrorists.

 

So the worlds a safer place with America ready and willing under what they see as the right circumstances to perform military operations across borders they have no legal right to cross, that makes the world safer how please.
And creating straw men is perfectly reasonable? How, please?

(I never said that America is making the world a safer place and I never said their involvement in Pakistan was morally sound.)

 

America is currently demonizing Pakistan about bin laden hiding out there, literally accusing them of aiding and abetting him, best form of defense is attack apparently.
America doesn't have to defend itself in this respect. And criticism of Pakistan on this issue is just a moments complaining. It's not a serious issue. But they are wrong to criticise.

 

Your claims that the americans try extremely hard to avoid civilian casualties, can you proof any figures to show any results.
I don't know about extremely. But they make efforts to avoid civilian casualties, as they must. They have been conducting new counter-insurgency since the 2005 in Iraq and Afghanistan in a return to 'hearts and minds' strategy.

Moreover, they shoot themselves in the foot were they kill discriminately, as they require a lot of intelligence from the civilian population.

To say they have no concern would be stupid considering that they must discriminate to effect their strategy. But that doesn't they care about the people. There is no concern for their lives, but only for the effect their campaign.

 

 

I do not believe the pakistani isi knew he was there.

I just cannot see any of them resisting the 30 million dollar reward/S and a new life in the witness protection program.

25 MIL US government bounty

2 mil airlines bounty

and several other bounties.

 

 

UN aye right, when pakistan is so easily bought off.

 

Last but not least if the yanks really cared about civilian casualties, then why use depleted uranium in and around their cities and towns, which will kill thousands more over the next 50 years, the yanks do not give a flying fuck about civilian casualties [ unless ofcourse the civilians are americans ], only their {yanks} reputation imo.

 

And your reference to strawmaning, it would only be a strawman if it was pure speculation, crossing borders and extracting for interrogation has been normal practice for the last ten years as a matter of routine, all kept secret ofcourse for as long as possible.

 

They do not label it as abduction and torture ofcourse, rendition has a much better ring to it.

 

And its noted you cannot confirm your opinions on civilian casualty rates, not even to confirm with any validity at all about methods/guidelines on casualty reduction.

 

And your comments about alienating intel from civilians is no more than your personal opinion aswell.

Edited by pauld

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According to Sky News (hmmmmm) there have been some photos of OBL corpse.

 

Here's a link - warning - not a pretty sight.

 

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/amerika/Wie-die-Amerikaner-Bin-Laden-fanden-und-toeteten/story/16552113

I presume most people have realized that the photo is a fake.

 

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