Silentbob Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 You are just talking shite now for the sake of it, fucking bikes riding round the wrong way, are you clinically stupid?? OF COURSE all the riders and their mechanics take the preparation of the machines VERY seriously, after all if a mechanical failure brought about by bad maintenance killed their rider or even lost them a decent position then do yo really think it would have no impact on them whatsoever? In 1992 we had Oxford Products staying with us, Trevor Nation's 888 received a brand new factory engine from Italy, built by their race engineers. It lasted until May Hill before the crankcase split, Trevor rolled it off the course at the hairpin and famously threw it in the ditch (he actually didn't know the ditch was there and fell into it, but the commentator thought he had done it on purpose). That was a £35K motor from the manufacturer. In 1993 Mark Farmer was raing the Oxford Products 888, all wheels had new bearings fitted prior to the race, yet a brand new cush drive bearing collapsed and his rear sprocket chewed half way through the swingarm, he only dound this out during his pitstop after doing a 118mph standing start lap. That was a £6 bearing. In 1989 Carlos Sainz was leading the RAC Rally and his team swapped out the driveshafts 'as a precaution' leading into the final set of stages, one of those new shafts failed and he lost the WRC because of it. Your argument that every single component, internal and external are the sole responsibility of the machine's rider, mechanic, owner or even manufacturer is total bollox and you should shut up now before you show the forums how much of an uneducated tit you really are. You obviously have zero experience of any form of motorsport and should refrain from entering into discussions on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Heresy or Hearsay NOT Heresay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 In 1989 Carlos Sainz was leading the RAC Rally and his team swapped out the driveshafts 'as a precaution' leading into the final set of stages, one of those new shafts failed and he lost the WRC because of it. Destroying a perfectly good rear window in the process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 You are just talking shite now for the sake of it, fucking bikes riding round the wrong way, are you clinically stupid?? I'm just trying to get my point across. To blanket statement "as there could be no criminal proceedings if nothing other than race machines were involved (unless criminal intent was involved of course)". I'm just trying to get my point across that there are times when you may be liable without criminal intent. That's the difference between murder and manslaughter and just because you're on a racing bike doesn't make you immune to those laws. OF COURSE all the riders and their mechanics take the preparation of the machines VERY seriously, after all if a mechanical failure brought about by bad maintenance killed their rider or even lost them a decent position then do yo really think it would have no impact on them whatsoever? Of course. If everyone acted in the way you'd expect, we'd have no need for negligence laws. Sometimes people fuck up, they may not have intended to, and they may not have foreseen the circumstances, but fuckups happen that aren't simply accidents and someone may be found liable, fellow racer or not. Your argument that every single component, internal and external are the sole responsibility of the machine's rider, mechanic, owner or even manufacturer is total bollox and you should shut up now before you show the forums how much of an uneducated tit you really are. No, that isn't my argument at all. Can you read? You obviously have zero experience of any form of motorsport and should refrain from entering into discussions on the subject. Behave yourself eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying here but I hope you are not suggesting that Bill & Kev were not capable or fit to be racing the TT. They met all the criteria for racing the TT, were passed (as all riders are) medically fit and I would happily go barreling into a corner at 14omph wheel to wheel with them. Just because they were older than what people see fit to be the norm for racing does not mean they were passed their best. Bill set his fastest laps last year and if you care to look at the timings I think you will find we was averaging 109mph to Ballaugh. They were both faster, safer and more talented than I ever was. As I have said before, a massive loss to the Sidecar Family. All the lads in the paddock liked and respected them. Yes you did misunderstand me, I share your view!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I can understand Slim's point, in the heat of the moment and desperate to get out on the race track, certain people may be tempted to take a risk with the longevity or reliability of a component or mechanism and not anticipate the consequences of it failing. This could be a mechanic or the competitor himself. I am not in any way suggesting that this has or may have happened in this case, but I know it can and does happen. The urge to compete becomes all consuming and common sense can take a back seat! With professional and experienced teams, this becomes less of an issue you would think, but I can remember Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts both retiring from a race when the team mechanics incorrectly fitted their front brake pads in the heat of the moment. Ben Spies had a breather clamp accidentally left in place recently which could have caused him to have a serious accident while removing it. Dani Pedrosa had a seious accident putting him outof contention for the world championship last year, his mechanics had set up his throttle incorrectly and it jammed open! Edited June 2, 2011 by Max Power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdose Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hell, even Ferrari have trouble just filling up their cars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotteo Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 For Scotteo Not if the previous riders knew of the leak and failed to stop as I said before Do you honestly think that a rider would carry on if he new of a leak? Nope I don't think so. Furthermore, those bikes cost thousands of pounds, if a leak was detected by a rider, they'd pull up before it seized and cost them even more thousands of pounds . Do I think so? No. Is it a possibility? Yes. And BTW; speculation, wild accusations, and heresay are what forums are all about Have you read the terms and conditions? Am I in for a surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 What is that picture supposed to be about? - I'm not interested I'm just a bit disturbed by your posting it in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Thread needs less bloat quoters. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hell, even Ferrari have trouble just filling up their cars.... Indeed, oil leaks are common - I've watched many an F1 race where a car following another is coated in oil - even the best teams with the biggest budgets can't prevent simple things going wrong. A lowly F1 team has a budget that most TT competitors could never spend in a lifetime of competing I reckon - and bits fall off the cars, they catch fire, leak fluid etc, etc. Hell, they can't even get the wheels / wheel nuts off most weekends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 What is that picture supposed to be about? - I'm not interested I'm just a bit disturbed by your posting it in this thread. It made me think of The Human Centipede A mad scientist kidnaps and mutilates a trio of tourists in order to reassemble them into a new "pet"-- a human centipede, created by stitching their mouths to each others' rectums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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