Monkey boy Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 we definately don't need a vehicle test. It is already against the law to drive a defective vehicle, why legislate twice? If you want an MOT go back & live in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 we definately don't need a vehicle test. It is already against the law to drive a defective vehicle, why legislate twice? If you want an MOT go & live in the UK. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) we definately don't need a vehicle test. It is already against the law to drive a defective vehicle, why legislate twice? If you want an MOT go back & live in the UK. The purpose of the test is to detect defective vehicles. As things are at present, you stand an excellent chance of not being stopped even if you are driving a defective vehicle. That's why legislation is necessary. Edited August 12, 2011 by guzzi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Let's get ourselves up to the standard of the rest of the world before we worry about getting ahead of it. State of the rest of the western world? Let's not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 we definately don't need a vehicle test. It is already against the law to drive a defective vehicle, why legislate twice? If you want an MOT go & live in the UK. +1 +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hi Guzzi, , we are completely out of line with the rest of the western world Not quite. Not every EU country tests all vehicles although 'the powers' would probably like them to. I hope you get the extra international driver's permit when you take you iom licence to Spain..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Let's get ourselves up to the standard of the rest of the world before we worry about getting ahead of it. State of the rest of the western world? Let's not bother. Don't be woolly woolley! The subject of tuis topic is MOT testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) You have to remember that any commercial vehicle over a GWT/used for hire or reward (cabs and the like) all have to have an annual inspection. Any vehicle bought over to the Island that is over 3 years old needs to have a test before it can be registered. Any vehicle that has not had a tax disk for over 2 years needs to be tested. In the UK a MOT cert. just proves that a car was in roadworthy condition AT THE TIME the vehicle was looked at - and thus is only valid until the car is backed off the ramps. I have had bulbs go the second the ramps hit the floor - but it had a valid MOT. The UK has forced MOT garages to introduce expensive terminals to update records, conduct emmision tests and update the testers. A modern car is incapable of being driven if the engine needs a good serivce (not that emmisions are checked here anyway) they revert to 'limp home' mode or just flat right refuse to start. Tyres and lights are quickly cheackable by a roadside inspection, this would show up any other problems, worn steering, duff shocks (Blue Citroen in Douglas - I have your number, get them sorted PDQ). Brake pads and discs - you can see them through the wheels FFS - easy check. Brake solenoid, test it form inside the car, you do not have to even open the bonnet. Hand brake - the same. Most people know what rots out on a car - a vehicle tester does not have to lift a vehicle to look at inner arches, suspension mounts and seat belt anchors. Lets face it - if it looks 'looked after' then 9 times out of 10 it is. Cracked number plates, missing indicator lenses, wide wheels, fat tail pipes, and stick on privacy glass and your fair game for an inspector IMHO. Wipers and sprayers - they work at the push of a button - or they are broken, same with the horn. Indicator bulbs blown? - they flash faster to let you know - listen for the relay clicking - they were designed like that! Cannot see at night when driving - get your eyes tested or check you headlamps. In the space of less than 5 mins at the weekend you can be almost sure your car is safe to drive, why have another layer of men in suits and office monkeys giving us a bit of paper saying so? Edited August 12, 2011 by x-in-man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) Hi Guzzi, , we are completely out of line with the rest of the western world Not quite. Not every EU country tests all vehicles although 'the powers' would probably like them to. I hope you get the extra international driver's permit when you take you iom licence to Spain..... Hmm, yes I did but it has now expired. I was told that it is "advisable" rather than strictly necessary for an EU country. If the idea is to have something internationally recognised in addition to the Manx driving licence, the international permit looks even more as if a primary school kid has made it than the licence itself! According to Wiki: The Council directive 96/96/EC of 20 December 1996 mandates all member states to carry out periodic safety and emission inspections for most types of motor vehicles. It also sets minimum requirements for those inspections and their intervals - for light commercial vehicles (up to 3.5 t) and private cars (up to 8 seats) the first inspection shall occur no later than 4 years and at a frequency of up to 2 years thereafter. All other types of vehicles shall be subject to yearly inspection (busses, vans, trucks, trailers, taxis, ambulances, coaches). Vehicles from the military and fire departments are exempted from the directive. Edited August 12, 2011 by guzzi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 we definately don't need a vehicle test. It is already against the law to drive a defective vehicle, why legislate twice? If you want an MOT go back & live in the UK. The purpose of the test is to detect defective vehicles. As things are at present, you stand an excellent chance of not being stopped even if you are driving a defective vehicle. That's why legislation is necessary. So you think an MOT is a way of catching people who are already breaking the law? And what action is taken against these people when the rock up for an MOT with a defective vehicle? None. Besides if you stand an excellent chance of driving a defective vehicle without being stopped then presumably you stand an equally excellent chance of driving a vehicle without an MOT & not being stopped either. All this is assuming that we even have a problem with defective vehicles on the road. I can't remember the last time I heard of an accident caused by a defective vehicle. If it aint broke don't fix it - which incidently is not a philosophy shared by many MOT testing centres in the UK who tend to like to fix it whether it's broke or not, usually at great expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Monkey boy that's not what I wrote. I wrote that the purpose of the test was to detect defective vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Let's get ourselves up to the standard of the rest of the world before we worry about getting ahead of it. State of the rest of the western world? Let's not bother. Don't be woolly woolley! The subject of tuis topic is MOT testing. I know. And I stand by the comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Your prerogative Wooley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I was told that it is "advisable" rather than strictly necessary for an EU country Hmmm, don't think so although I'm not sure the local plod would know the difference. In Sarko's république you are required to carry your driving licence at all times you are driving and they expect to see a licence in the EU format along with a circle of stars on a blue background. The photocard manx licence meets the first criterion but not the second. I can't remember the last time I heard of an accident caused by a defective vehicle. Tragic death of a cyclist out on a training run Greeba way when a wheel (allegedly still bolted to its hub) fell off a passing wagon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOMRS97 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 You have to remember that any commercial vehicle over a GWT/used for hire or reward (cabs and the like) all have to have an annual inspection. Any vehicle bought over to the Island that is over 3 years old needs to have a test before it can be registered. Any vehicle that has not had a tax disk for over 2 years needs to be tested. In the UK a MOT cert. just proves that a car was in roadworthy condition AT THE TIME the vehicle was looked at - and thus is only valid until the car is backed off the ramps. I have had bulbs go the second the ramps hit the floor - but it had a valid MOT. The UK has forced MOT garages to introduce expensive terminals to update records, conduct emmision tests and update the testers. A modern car is incapable of being driven if the engine needs a good serivce (not that emmisions are checked here anyway) they revert to 'limp home' mode or just flat right refuse to start. Tyres and lights are quickly cheackable by a roadside inspection, this would show up any other problems, worn steering, duff shocks (Blue Citroen in Douglas - I have your number, get them sorted PDQ). Brake pads and discs - you can see them through the wheels FFS - easy check. Brake solenoid, test it form inside the car, you do not have to even open the bonnet. Hand brake - the same. Most people know what rots out on a car - a vehicle tester does not have to lift a vehicle to look at inner arches, suspension mounts and seat belt anchors. Lets face it - if it looks 'looked after' then 9 times out of 10 it is. Cracked number plates, missing indicator lenses, wide wheels, fat tail pipes, and stick on privacy glass and your fair game for an inspector IMHO. Wipers and sprayers - they work at the push of a button - or they are broken, same with the horn. Indicator bulbs blown? - they flash faster to let you know - listen for the relay clicking - they were designed like that! Cannot see at night when driving - get your eyes tested or check you headlamps. In the space of less than 5 mins at the weekend you can be almost sure your car is safe to drive, why have another layer of men in suits and office monkeys giving us a bit of paper saying so? You might also like to make sure your headlights aren't dazzling oncoming traffic? Easy enough to check alignment - all you need is a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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