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Bit off topic but a slightly odd letter in Private Eye:

 

Man up...

 

Sir,

 

Your story about the Isle of Man's Minister for Home Affairs being sick on a bus was remarkably similar to one which appeared in the "Isle of Man Examiner" on 27 December 2011. You did manage one mistake - the incident occurred on 16 December, which is NOT "the Friday before Christmas".

 

In my innocence I thought that your sources for "Rotten Boroughs" were courageous whistleblowers and diligent citizens.

 

Journalists in the Isle of Man can be courageous. The Island became a democracy after Tynwald - the Island's Parliament - was daft enough to send for one editor to prison for refusing to apologise for a critical editorial.

 

Perhaps you might give other journalists credit for re-cycled stories in future.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

JOHN BOWERS

Porthmadog, Gwynedd

 

So Richard Butt's got one fan at least. Though given that the story was only published after Watterson issued a statement (much to Butt's irritation), it was hardly comparable to uncovering phone-hacking.

 

Still it's nice to be reminded about how courageous Manx journalists can be in standing up to authority - providing it's the 1860s.

 

Edited to add italics to give it the authentic PE look

 

Well they say any publicity is good publicity!

 

Well done St Juan.

 

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/off topic a bit but out of interest:

 

Still it's nice to be reminded about how courageous Manx journalists can be in standing up to authority - providing it's the 1860s.

 

Yes, our politicians were very litigious. if not very sensitive, in those days.

 

George William Dumbell MHK (founder of the Dumbell's Bank) took one newspaper owner to court for printing a pseudonymous letter that was rather unkind to him. Pseudonyms were very common in the Isle of Man newspapers right up until quite recently, so It's not confined to manxforums and the internet to hide behind anonymous names when writing scathing remarks about our leaders.

 

Anyway, the newspaper owner was taken to court, and despite his advocate, Alfred Laughton, making a particularly skilful and passionate defence plea, he was found guilty by a jury. As it later transpired, the advocate was the writer of the letter! He was later to become an MHK himself, and so would have a degree of parliamentary privilege for protection.

 

On another occasion from that period, the Bishop took a newspaper editor to court and won. However, the decision was overturned on appeal but the appeal decision was later overturned at the Privy Counci. The basis of the judgment being something to do with Bishops have universal privilege to say whatever they will.

 

In far more recent times a deposed and perhaps indignant former MHK took the Isle of Man Newspapers owner to court for saying things about him that he was unhappy with. That was settled out of court and was not reported by the newspapers. Obviously. Except a small paragraph in the one remaining independent newspaper that hadn't yet been taken over.

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In far more recent times a deposed and perhaps indignant former MHK took the Isle of Man Newspapers owner to court for saying things about him that he was unhappy with. That was settled out of court and was not reported by the newspapers. Obviously. Except a small paragraph in the one remaining independent newspaper that hadn't yet been taken over.

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/off topic a bit but out of interest:

 

Still it's nice to be reminded about how courageous Manx journalists can be in standing up to authority - providing it's the 1860s.

 

Yes, our politicians were very litigious. if not very sensitive, in those days.

 

George William Dumbell MHK (founder of the Dumbell's Bank) took one newspaper owner to court for printing a pseudonymous letter that was rather unkind to him. Pseudonyms were very common in the Isle of Man newspapers right up until quite recently, so It's not confined to manxforums and the internet to hide behind anonymous names when writing scathing remarks about our leaders.

 

Anyway, the newspaper owner was taken to court, and despite his advocate, Alfred Laughton, making a particularly skilful and passionate defence plea, he was found guilty by a jury. As it later transpired, the advocate was the writer of the letter! He was later to become an MHK himself, and so would have a degree of parliamentary privilege for protection.

 

On another occasion from that period, the Bishop took a newspaper editor to court and won. However, the decision was overturned on appeal but the appeal decision was later overturned at the Privy Counci. The basis of the judgment being something to do with Bishops have universal privilege to say whatever they will.

 

In far more recent times a deposed and perhaps indignant former MHK took the Isle of Man Newspapers owner to court for saying things about him that he was unhappy with. That was settled out of court and was not reported by the newspapers. Obviously. Except a small paragraph in the one remaining independent newspaper that hadn't yet been taken over.

 

What has the above got to do with our new Minister for Home Affairs being pissed on a bus, falling asleep, missing his stop, then puking up on the bus, apologising after the newspapers found out and then not resigning?

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Nothing. But I did point out that it was off-topic, if it makes you grumpy. It linked in to a point made previously.

 

Almost like a conversation, a forum thread drifting off topic. Whatever next?

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