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Are you the same Mr Barrie Stevens that once upon a time wrote the long winded letter's in the local paper's?

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Are you the same Mr Barrie Stevens that once upon a time wrote the long winded letter's in the local paper's?

 

It's a George Washington moment...."Father. I cannot tell a lie!"...

 

However, I am not in fact the Barrie Stevens who wrote long-winded letters to the local papers!...Nay! Nay! And thrice times nay!

 

I am that Barrie Stevens who regularly submitted letters to the Editor of the local papers.

 

This same Editor then decided to publish the same.....I had no hand in the process...

 

Unlike your goodself, I had the benefit of a sub-Editor who expunged the grammatical errors so glaringly obvious in your own and most current submission on these Forums...

 

Fun isn’t it?

 

 

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I suppose that the Manx local traditional flour baked product for Gregs to supply is bonnag and soda farls?

A propos of the VAT on hot pasties debate, is bread sold straight from the oven, warm, and thus above ambient temperature, caught by 20% VAT until it cools down?

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I suppose that the Manx local traditional flour baked product for Gregs to supply is bonnag and soda farls?

A propos of the VAT on hot pasties debate, is bread sold straight from the oven, warm, and thus above ambient temperature, caught by 20% VAT until it cools down?

It is about intention, if the goods are intended not to be eaten hot, are not advertised as hot as they are incidentally hot and are cooling down then they are zero rated for VAT. If they are cooked and not cooked kept warm then they can be usually zero rated, but this whole area is an EEC-esque example of complexity.

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The boss of Greggs has accused George Osborne of having "lost touch" after the Chancellor admitted he could not remember the last time he bought a pasty from the baker.

Chief executive Ken McMeikan said ministers did not appreciate the impact changes to VAT rules would have on ordinary people.

The high street chain saw millions wiped off its shares after the Budget closed a loophole that has meant some hot takeaway foods, such as sausage rolls and pasties, escaped the duty.

The move - quickly dubbed the "pie tax" - sparked outrage, with critics pointing to the contrast of a cut in the 50p top tax rate.

Appearing before the Commons Treasury Committee, Mr Osborne was forced to confess he was not a regular customer of the chain. Asked by Labour MP John Mann the last time he bought a pasty there, he replied: "I can't remember the last time I bought a pasty in Greggs." Mr Mann retorted: "That kind of sums it up."

He ridiculed the Treasury consultation document setting out the new criteria on what qualifies as "hot" food for VAT purposes.

"With the weather as it is today, a lukewarm pasty from Greggs is not VAT-able because the ambient temperature outside is the reference point, whereas if it is the middle of winter and freezing cold it is VAT," Mr Mann said. "It is an extraordinarily complex situation when you are having to check with the Meteorological Office on whether or not to add VAT on pasties in Greggs, which is what your consultation paper does."

Mr Osborne insisted it was all straightforward. "We don't do a check on every single product sold. We actually come to a sensible arrangement between the Inland Revenue and the company about what proportion of their products are sold hot. There are perfectly sensible ways of working this out," he said.

Speaking on BBC Two's Newsnight, Mr McMeikan said he feared the changes would seriously damage the industry and cause job losses. "I think to a degree they have lost touch with the issue here - that for ordinary, hard-working families putting 20% on to a product that is freshly baked actually is going to make a severe dent in their pockets when they can ill afford it," he said. "George Osborne I think would benefit from coming and spending time with us and spending time with our customers."

Mr McMeikan said the Government was also inadvertently creating "huge complexity" over what constituted an "ambient temperature".

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I suppose that the Manx local traditional flour baked product for Gregs to supply is bonnag and soda farls?

A propos of the VAT on hot pasties debate, is bread sold straight from the oven, warm, and thus above ambient temperature, caught by 20% VAT until it cools down?

 

Nah, if that was the case why would supermarkets have bakery's in house?

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Are you the same Mr Barrie Stevens that once upon a time wrote the long winded letter's in the local paper's?

 

It's a George Washington moment...."Father. I cannot tell a lie!"...

 

However, I am not in fact the Barrie Stevens who wrote long-winded letters to the local papers!...Nay! Nay! And thrice times nay!

 

I am that Barrie Stevens who regularly submitted letters to the Editor of the local papers.

 

This same Editor then decided to publish the same.....I had no hand in the process...

 

Unlike your goodself, I had the benefit of a sub-Editor who expunged the grammatical errors so glaringly obvious in your own and most current submission on these Forums...

 

Fun isn’t it?

 

 

 

Please don't act like a grammar troll as you are better than that.

As it was your very long winded letters in the papers I'll know in future to look for your posts when I need to sleep ;-)

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You will be able to get 2 cheese & onion pastries for a £1.00 thumbsup.gif

 

Not on the IOM sadly!!!

 

99% of anything from "across" certainely has a higher price on it, as opposed to the outlets in the UK (for example) so 2 Cheese and Onion Pasties/Pastries will probably not be £1.00 (speculation) and more like £1.20/£1.30??

 

This is why there is a lot more "online" purchases (resulting in local businesses not profiting from local sales, apart from maybe the lazy and guillable customers, who wouldn't know cheese from chalk and still pay over the odds prices in IOM shops!) for goods, petrol/diesel is usually put into tanks (fully) when going over to the UK and ther prices on clothes, electricals, food, etc is always (and will probbaly be) more than the UK ever?!?!?! TK-Max prices are still over what you can buy from a UK outlet (from what I have seen).

 

I always buy my clothes/electricals/books/DVD's, etc, etc online as they are certainely cheaper and better quality (most of the time).

 

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A couple of cheese pasties ordered online may have gone a bit stale by the time you got them though, unless you pay for same day delivery?

 

It's not local retailers ripping you off, it's purely the costs of opening the doors, paying staff, stocking up, carriage costs and making a profit, which after all is why they are in business. We have a much smaller market for everything here unfortunately so that doesn't help economies of scale.

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I suppose that the Manx local traditional flour baked product for Gregs to supply is bonnag and soda farls?

A propos of the VAT on hot pasties debate, is bread sold straight from the oven, warm, and thus above ambient temperature, caught by 20% VAT until it cools down?

I was listening to Radio 4 earlier and it was stated categorically that the leglislation was "A pig's ear". Because if you were in a long queue, and a new batch of pasties were taken from the oven, the people up front who got the hot/warm pasties paid VAT whilst those getting them when cold were exempt.

 

So, I wonder, if the shop sold you a cold pasty, deal done and money in the till, could the shopkeeper say "Would you like me to warm your pasty?". Or could he have a bank of self service microwaves where you could warm your own pasty. The more I try to explain this the ruder it's all beginning to sound.

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Total have microwaves in the Ramsey petrol station for you to warm your pies and pasties, will they have to charge vat ?

vat on childrens clothes is the strangest,! If you buy clothes for your 12 year old you don't have to pay vat, but if you buy clothes the same sizes for a very small adult you are suposed to tell the shop and pay the vat !

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A couple of cheese pasties ordered online may have gone a bit stale by the time you got them though, unless you pay for same day delivery?

 

It's not local retailers ripping you off, it's purely the costs of opening the doors, paying staff, stocking up, carriage costs and making a profit, which after all is why they are in business. We have a much smaller market for everything here unfortunately so that doesn't help economies of scale.

 

I didn't say anything re ordering pasties online, unless they were frozen (not!)

 

So where do local retailers get there stock from?? A specialised "only for sale in the IOM" outlet, which would give a clue to the inflated prices compared to the UK (or online!)

 

Am I right or am i wrong?

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Mention has been made of Pat-a-Cake's pasties and Manx Pie Co's sausage rolls. The former contain peas and the latter potato - how very peculiar.

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If anyone is after a bit of Greggs action I notice that Shoprite/Iceland are now stocking frozen versions of their stuff.

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