pongo 4,351 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: I suspect that will be a very limited market. The voluntary aspect is an important one. Any insurance company making thay mandatory is out of business. Speed limiters will soon be fitted by law on all new vehicles. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/ It's a staged approach. Starts out voluntary. But, even as they are introduced, you can be certain that removing or disabling them will void your warranty and insurance. It will be like crash helmets and seat belts. A few weirdos will whine about their personal freedom - or convoluted arguments that regulation makes people less safe. Within a decade we will wonder that we didn't always have them. And of course there should be a speed limit on the mountain. It's a minor two lane country road which also needs to safely and comfortably accommodate walkers and cyclists. Edited October 18, 2020 by pongo 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevster 1,127 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I remember seeing them live many years ago 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Dog's Dangly Bits 1,709 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, pongo said: Speed limiters will soon be fitted by law on all new vehicles. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/ It's a staged approach. Starts out voluntary. But, even as they are introduced, you can be certain that removing or disabling them will void your warranty and insurance. It will be like crash helmets and seat belts. A few weirdos will whine about their personal freedom - or convoluted arguments that regulation makes people less safe. Within a decade we will wonder that we didn't always have them. And of course there should be a speed limit on the mountain. It's a minor two lane country road which also needs to safely and comfortably accommodate walkers and cyclists. It doesn't really. It's the main thoroughfare to and from the largest towns on the island. Cyclists and Walkers make up next to nothing in percentage terms as far as traffic goes. It'll take a very long time for mandatory speed limiters to make it's way into society. There'll be some big corporate influence in there to rock the boat. Plus there will be a burgeoning market in work around to bypass those systems probably. There's also the plus point that millions and millions of cars won't have that issue anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,242 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, pongo said: Speed limiters will soon be fitted by law on all new vehicles. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/ It's a staged approach. Starts out voluntary. But, even as they are introduced, you can be certain that removing or disabling them will void your warranty and insurance. It will be like crash helmets and seat belts. A few weirdos will whine about their personal freedom - or convoluted arguments that regulation makes people less safe. Within a decade we will wonder that we didn't always have them. And of course there should be a speed limit on the mountain. It's a minor two lane country road which also needs to safely and comfortably accommodate walkers and cyclists. Yay, more authoritarianism! The biggest cause of RTAs is distracted driving. People on their phones are the problem, not people who like the occasional bit of zooming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTeapot 9,777 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, kevster said: I remember seeing them live many years ago Last time I saw them, in a seated theatre venue, we got shushed by a bunch of old cardigan wearers. Mad, never been shushed at a gig in my life. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pongo 4,351 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, HeliX said: Yay, more authoritarianism! That was also one of the main arguments used against crash helmets and seat belts. It's not about people's rights to drive fast on main roads (as opposed to on private property). It's about the rights of the people who have to co-exist with them. A big issue every day on the mountain is those men who overtake a few cars at a time, cutting into the braking distance between cars and causing the people they have passed to then need to brake. Perhaps because they are habitually late. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,242 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, pongo said: That was also one of the main arguments used against crash helmets and seat belts. It's not about people's rights to drive fast on main roads (as opposed to on private property). It's about the rights of the people who have to co-exist with them. A big issue every day on the mountain is those men who overtake a few cars at a time, cutting into the braking distance between cars and causing the people they have passed to then need to brake. Perhaps because they are habitually late. What about the right not to have a system that data logs your every move and action? Anecdotes about sometimes having to brake don't really compare to the statistics, which clearly show that distracted driving is the main problem on the road. Of course, there's no chance that making diving less and less involved will increase incidence of distracted driving... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piebaps 3,155 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, quilp said: Aren't bikes restricted for a period after passing? No, just R plates like cars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pongo 4,351 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, HeliX said: What about the right not to have a system that data logs your every move and action? Do you not carry a phone? 7 minutes ago, HeliX said: Of course, there's no chance that making diving less and less involved will increase incidence of distracted driving... Speed limiters are not going to make drivers less involved. Self driving cars maybe - but that's a whole different thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,242 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, pongo said: Do you not carry a phone? Speed limiters are not going to make drivers less involved. Self driving cars maybe - but that's a whole different thing. I can choose not to carry a phone. Or to disable location services. But even if that weren't the case, that's not a valid reason not to resist yet another body collating huge swathes of information about me. Every bit of automation creates more distracted drivers. People are impatient and get bored easily. Phones are addictive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,242 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, piebaps said: No, just R plates like cars. Bikers in the UK are restricted after passing to certain power outputs. Its a reasonable idea. Better training in the first place is a better idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the stinking enigma 11,144 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I must say I'm not really comfortable with the cops 'ran out of talent' angle. It's a bit stupid really. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hampsterkahn 368 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The mountain road daily demonstrates such a mix of of driving characteristics and abilities : the negligently inattentive, the distracted, the irritable ,the psychotic, the potentially suicidal or homicidal, the immature show off, the grandiose poseur.. - And that’s just one driver. it’s a miracle there aren’t more accidents 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,242 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I must say I'm not really comfortable with the cops 'ran out of talent' angle. It's a bit stupid really. The police officer ran out of talent when he tried to branch out into the role of social media influencer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roxanne 1,463 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 One of my very favourite songs from my very favourite albums. Cheers ATP. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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