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So many of these ‘speeding issue’ areas could be transformed with velocity controlled traffic lights as they have in Portugal. Kirk Michael is a good example. Two more crossings at each end of the village and convert the one by the shop. Approach at more than whatever the set limit is and they change to red. 

People soon modify their  behaviours 

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11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

So many of these ‘speeding issue’ areas could be transformed with velocity controlled traffic lights as they have in Portugal. Kirk Michael is a good example. Two more crossings at each end of the village and convert the one by the shop. Approach at more than whatever the set limit is and they change to red. 

People soon modify their  behaviours 

Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed.  Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe.

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38 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed.  Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe.

the motorists probably still think they are VC lights.

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On 11/23/2020 at 7:23 AM, John Wright said:

Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed.  Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe.

Cheaper to install than major re-engineering with build outs and chicanes , provide more crossing places as a secondary benefit and when people keep to the limit, traffic flows smoothly.

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16 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Cheaper to install than major re-engineering with build outs and chicanes , provide more crossing places as a secondary benefit and when people keep to the limit, traffic flows smoothly.

As I say they replaced with pedestrian controlled pelicans ( which were already there as part of the radar speed control ). We shop there regularly. It’s much more pedestrian and car friendly now.  No chicanes or build out. 

I think it gave pedestrians a false sense of security. They tended to jaywalk when the radar stopped traffic. One slightly fast car stopped all traffic in both directions. Snarl up.

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40 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

There's a speed limit there too. They're the answer apparently. 

Speed limits aren't exactly the massive deterrent they're wielded to be either.

It's almost encouraged at certain police-led bikesafe events to make well in excess of the speed limit for the sake of progress.

There are many bikers, who, with creatively mounted plates, look pretty legal from the back-end in a police BMW, but can't be read from a camera which is mounted significantly higher.

Take a look at the A683 up to Kirkby Lonsdale, it's known where the speed vans sit, so the bikes will really make progress between those points, despite the 60 limit on an NSL single carriageway.

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16 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Speed limits aren't exactly the massive deterrent they're wielded to be either.

It's almost encouraged at certain police-led bikesafe events to make well in excess of the speed limit for the sake of progress.

There are many bikers, who, with creatively mounted plates, look pretty legal from the back-end in a police BMW, but can't be read from a camera which is mounted significantly higher.

Take a look at the A683 up to Kirkby Lonsdale, it's known where the speed vans sit, so the bikes will really make progress between those points, despite the 60 limit on an NSL single carriageway.

Speed limits are essentially an enforceable, risk-assessed guidance figure. Based on a myriad of factors, someone has made an assessment that ‘X’ mph is about as fast as you really need to be going on a particular route. It’s the reason that routes like the 683, and the Cat and Fiddle Road have limits on, the evidence base including high levels of collisions and fatalities. 

Of course, just like the Mountain Road, you can traverse them at much higher speeds. But we are ultimately dealing with the lowest common denominator of talent, and generally the driving test bar is set rather low, and many people have an over inflated personal assessment of their ability.

That is why speed limits are a component of safer speed, which is in turn a component of the Safe systems approach to casualty reduction.

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