Derek Flint 4,042 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) So many of these ‘speeding issue’ areas could be transformed with velocity controlled traffic lights as they have in Portugal. Kirk Michael is a good example. Two more crossings at each end of the village and convert the one by the shop. Approach at more than whatever the set limit is and they change to red. People soon modify their behaviours Edited November 23, 2020 by Derek Flint 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 7,903 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: So many of these ‘speeding issue’ areas could be transformed with velocity controlled traffic lights as they have in Portugal. Kirk Michael is a good example. Two more crossings at each end of the village and convert the one by the shop. Approach at more than whatever the set limit is and they change to red. People soon modify their behaviours Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed. Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WTF 5,925 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, John Wright said: Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed. Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe. the motorists probably still think they are VC lights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 7,903 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, WTF said: the motorists probably still think they are VC lights. Suspect not. People transiting are mainly locals and the VC notices “luces controllada per radar” signs went. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,042 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 7:23 AM, John Wright said: Not sure that they’ve proved successful. Next village but one to where I have my holiday home had them for 10years, set at 30kmh. Place was always jammed. Removed and replaced with Pelicans. Traffic flows more smoothly and seems just as safe. Cheaper to install than major re-engineering with build outs and chicanes , provide more crossing places as a secondary benefit and when people keep to the limit, traffic flows smoothly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 7,903 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Cheaper to install than major re-engineering with build outs and chicanes , provide more crossing places as a secondary benefit and when people keep to the limit, traffic flows smoothly. As I say they replaced with pedestrian controlled pelicans ( which were already there as part of the radar speed control ). We shop there regularly. It’s much more pedestrian and car friendly now. No chicanes or build out. I think it gave pedestrians a false sense of security. They tended to jaywalk when the radar stopped traffic. One slightly fast car stopped all traffic in both directions. Snarl up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quilp 10,479 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Madness. Speeding? Poor vehicle condition? Lack of "talent"? The images speak for themselves. Could've been deadly... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/two-rescued-after-car-crashes-into-building/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AcousticallyChallenged 793 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, quilp said: Madness. Speeding? Poor vehicle condition? Lack of "talent"? The images speak for themselves. Could've been deadly... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/two-rescued-after-car-crashes-into-building/ Someone nicked their roof, that's their issue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TerryFuchwit 21 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, quilp said: Madness. Speeding? Poor vehicle condition? Lack of "talent"? The images speak for themselves. Could've been deadly... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/two-rescued-after-car-crashes-into-building/ There's a speed limit there too. They're the answer apparently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Onchan 4,034 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I thought the new KFC drive-in was going to be on Peel Rd? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,717 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Must've been fair hurtling to end up there after going off the mountain road! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AcousticallyChallenged 793 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: There's a speed limit there too. They're the answer apparently. Speed limits aren't exactly the massive deterrent they're wielded to be either. It's almost encouraged at certain police-led bikesafe events to make well in excess of the speed limit for the sake of progress. There are many bikers, who, with creatively mounted plates, look pretty legal from the back-end in a police BMW, but can't be read from a camera which is mounted significantly higher. Take a look at the A683 up to Kirkby Lonsdale, it's known where the speed vans sit, so the bikes will really make progress between those points, despite the 60 limit on an NSL single carriageway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Holte End 600 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 It becomes a bit much when you have to use the green cross code indoors. Stop,look, listen and think before crossing your living room to turn your telly on. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,042 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Speed limits aren't exactly the massive deterrent they're wielded to be either. It's almost encouraged at certain police-led bikesafe events to make well in excess of the speed limit for the sake of progress. There are many bikers, who, with creatively mounted plates, look pretty legal from the back-end in a police BMW, but can't be read from a camera which is mounted significantly higher. Take a look at the A683 up to Kirkby Lonsdale, it's known where the speed vans sit, so the bikes will really make progress between those points, despite the 60 limit on an NSL single carriageway. Speed limits are essentially an enforceable, risk-assessed guidance figure. Based on a myriad of factors, someone has made an assessment that ‘X’ mph is about as fast as you really need to be going on a particular route. It’s the reason that routes like the 683, and the Cat and Fiddle Road have limits on, the evidence base including high levels of collisions and fatalities. Of course, just like the Mountain Road, you can traverse them at much higher speeds. But we are ultimately dealing with the lowest common denominator of talent, and generally the driving test bar is set rather low, and many people have an over inflated personal assessment of their ability. That is why speed limits are a component of safer speed, which is in turn a component of the Safe systems approach to casualty reduction. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WTF 5,925 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 rumour has it that it was oldies not the yahoo brigade, my money is on wrong pedal out of two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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