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3 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

The joke was fuck all to do with the sad event. It was to do with another derailment. You not understand that.?

No Dilli, it is you that doesn’t understand. Why do you consider one thread derail acceptable and another not acceptable?

Please also be aware that your replies will continue to cause further derailment.

 

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On 1/16/2021 at 4:14 PM, horatiotheturd said:

Rumours its to do with that stupid crossing thing on the heritage trail.

If it is, whoever signed that thing off needs adding to the list of government cockwombles who need sacking.

Never seen anything like it and have no idea how it was ever allowed.

Gives pedestrians and cyclist a false sense of security and most traffic seems to pay no attention at all to it (i don't think legally they have to)

I would like to do a skid test on it while wet, it certainly feels slippy when crossing in the damp, although that is only my opinion I am sure the DOI bods would have carried out a skid test before re-opening the road to traffic.

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40 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

I would like to do a skid test on it while wet, it certainly feels slippy when crossing in the damp, although that is only my opinion I am sure the DOI bods would have carried out a skid test before re-opening the road to traffic.

Talking in general terms and not in respect of this incident; A skid test on the actual surface isn’t really where you’d be looking. It’s the approach to it where your grip coefficient is relevant. If it is lower than what you would find for a normal, well maintained road then braking distances can be adversely affected. Similarly, it can be a factor where it affects the centripetal force and the car or bike let’s go on a bend at a lower speed than it might otherwise have done. 

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42 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

I would like to do a skid test on it while wet, it certainly feels slippy when crossing in the damp, although that is only my opinion I am sure the DOI bods would have carried out a skid test before re-opening the road to traffic.

I didn’t actually seem that bad, certainly no worse than a zebra crossing, I skidded roughly half way over it when I slammed on/had a near miss and stopped on top of it, it was a dry day though. 

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8 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

I didn’t actually seem that bad, certainly no worse than a zebra crossing, I skidded roughly half way over it when I slammed on/had a near miss and stopped on top of it, it was a dry day though. 

At least zebra crossings have lights on to let you know you're approaching them.

If they are serious about making this a commuter route then more consideration should have been given to how commuters can safely cross all roads on the route. If that means reducing the speed limit around the areas where they intersect with the old railway lines then so be it.

It shouldn't have had to take a tragedy like this for change to happen. It was highlighted enough at the time.

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I've not actually used the crossing  but are there any warning signs for users of the Heritage trail in either direction to indicate that they are approaching the road crossing?

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There are plenty of hazardous crossings, junctions, and unnecessary dangers on the Island's roads. No one listens and It always takes fatalities to get anything done. The DOI army will be down there after this with ten gallons of paint and a small forest of new signs. No one will be held responsible and a promotion or early retirement on enhanced pension will get someone out of the firing line. It's the Manx way - always has been.

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6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I've not actually used the crossing  but are there any warning signs for users of the Heritage trail in either direction to indicate that they are approaching the road crossing?

I’ve cycled the trail a handful of times and the problem I found is that you see the trail stretching out ahead of you, trees etc are casting shadows across it, and a couple of times I’ve thought “shit, that’s a road ahead” and had to brake a bit sharper than usual. Some sort signs or indication that there’s a road ahead would be useful. 

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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

Talking in general terms and not in respect of this incident; A skid test on the actual surface isn’t really where you’d be looking. It’s the approach to it where your grip coefficient is relevant. If it is lower than what you would find for a normal, well maintained road then braking distances can be adversely affected. Similarly, it can be a factor where it affects the centripetal force and the car or bike let’s go on a bend at a lower speed than it might otherwise have done. 

What about for a vehicle travelling across it that wanted to stop quickly? Such as a push bike for example?

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