Mountain Watch

[Boris Johnson]

15 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

I've said it on here before everytime this comes up, but the signage coming down into the Gooseneck is piss-poor for inexperienced drivers who don't know how tight it is. Has been for years and the DOI has never listened. Still one sign last time I checked showing a 60 degree left-hand bend. It's nearer 160 degrees. If you don't know the road and it's foggy it can take you by surprise.

Driving out of Ramsey the sign before the hairpin is a 60 degree left sign too.

Coming off the mountain its a proper hairpin 180 degree sign.

 

[Non-Believer]

Mountain shut from @ 2pm, and still closed at this time, following a "serious" RTI at Guthries.

Creg-ny-Baa backroad now also closed following a second RTI.

[finlo]

16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Mountain shut from @ 2pm, and still closed at this time, following a "serious" RTI at Guthries.

Creg-ny-Baa backroad now also closed following a second RTI.

The second one was a wayward fire engine!

[WTF]

2 hours ago, finlo said:

The second one was a wayward fire engine!

on its way to the first one apparently,  you can't make this stuff up.

[display name]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

....you can't make this stuff up.

I should hope not,you could be banned for that.

[The Chief]

is that 6 or 8 RTC's now in the last 3 days after todays double. Gonna blow the Police and DoT's stats wide open if we keep up at that level.

C'mon people FFS look take a breath and get to your destination safely an extra minute or 2 is not going to make your macdonalds any colder or your pint any flatter. Doris and Jean will have still bagged the last meal deals and EVF will have still stuck 40p on a litre of fuel.

[Non-Believer]

By my reckoning since the removing of the lockdown 40mph restriction 15(?) months back, there have been in excess of 70 RTIs on the Mountain Road.

[Boris Johnson]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

By my reckoning since the removing of the lockdown 40mph restriction 15(?) months back, there have been in excess of 70 RTIs on the Mountain Road.

We don't need speed limits and cameras though we need driver education.........................

Yeah right, how does that work then Mr Peters?

[ellanvannin2010]

I wonder what the RTC figures were during the first lockdown with the 40mph limit compared to the second/third lockdowns without the limit?.

[Non-Believer]

55 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

I wonder what the RTC figures were during the first lockdown with the 40mph limit compared to the second/third lockdowns without the limit?.

The regular argument against that is that there were fewer vehicles on the road during the first lockdown, due to most people being confined at home. But it was virtually zero to the best of my knowledge and recollection.

[Numbnuts]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

The regular argument against that is that there were fewer vehicles on the road during the first lockdown, due to most people being confined at home. But it was virtually zero to the best of my knowledge and recollection.

Think your right and was it Quayle that mentioned this in one of the many briefings? Like Dohhh yes theres been no accidents but theres no one on the road boss man !  

Edited September 24, 2021 by Numbnuts

[AlanShimmin]

On 9/21/2021 at 7:42 PM, Shake me up Judy said:

I've said it on here before everytime this comes up, but the signage coming down into the Gooseneck is piss-poor for inexperienced drivers who don't know how tight it is. Has been for years and the DOI has never listened. Still one sign last time I checked showing a 60 degree left-hand bend. It's nearer 160 degrees. If you don't know the road and it's foggy it can take you by surprise.

If they drove to the road / conditions it wouldn't be an issue. Does every slight bend in the road need  sign?

[Shake me up Judy]

When it's a downhill near hairpin coming off a high speed unrestricted stretch, you bet it does.

[Derek Flint]

14 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

By my reckoning since the removing of the lockdown 40mph restriction 15(?) months back, there have been in excess of 70 RTIs on the Mountain Road.

The mountain road is the elephant in the room. It’s the contradiction that I find hard to reconcile. Close it, marshal it, put medical cover in and make it one way, and they slap a speed restriction on (per last weeks FOM, Audi launch) open it two way for general use, no upper limit?

that simply does not stack up. It’s either safe to traverse at a speed you think fit in your own head, or it isn’t. A speed limit is the by product of a risk assessment of a route. So someone, somewhere in the DOI has carried out that assessment and figured that it doesn’t need one. Personally one has to question competence there. 

The resistance to imposing limits is political, nothing else. Now the likes of Cregeen are out maybe we will see a shift.

[CallMeCurious]

12 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The mountain road is the elephant in the room. It’s the contradiction that I find hard to reconcile. Close it, marshal it, put medical cover in and make it one way, and they slap a speed restriction on (per last weeks FOM, Audi launch) open it two way for general use, no upper limit?

that simply does not stack up. It’s either safe to traverse at a speed you think fit in your own head, or it isn’t. A speed limit is the by product of a risk assessment of a route. So someone, somewhere in the DOI has carried out that assessment and figured that it doesn’t need one. Personally one has to question competence there. 

The resistance to imposing limits is political, nothing else. Now the likes of Cregeen are out maybe we will see a shift.

I was going to say it'd be the typical hot potato and therefore no-one would even look at formalising the position of no speed limit. The "it has always been like that" defence.

I'd be curious to know if there are any reviews carried out by the DoI at all, on the basis of each serious incident (i.e. damage to property, vehicles and occupants) seperate to the legal side. Surely sites like the hairpin where there are almost monthly incidents better signage and possibly a speed advisory (like Windy and the Creg) is the least that should happen.

Heck even the 'accident black spot' warning, if they even exist any more.

Do those responsible for the damage pay for the repair of the wall or even report it? I don't think I've ever seen it reported in the paper.

The risk is one day someone else is going to be coming uphill on that bend, or walking behind the wall when this happens and then it'll be too late to fix it.