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Things at the airport must be getting bad if Terry Liddiard, ex Manx Airlines CEO posted this to a bunch of politicians regarding their Open Skies policy (Basically EasyJet cutting off FlyBe's profitable routes)

 

Manx Airlines boss warns of danger

 

 

On the plus side, it's great for the consumer at the moment with £16.99 EasyJet fares to Liverpool and Gatwick for the Winter. On the down side, if FlyBe pull out of the island, we lose a crap load of jobs and loads of frequency. I guess people will vote with their feet, as I don't expect the politicians to do anything about it.

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Sadly, lots of posters on manx forums will be only too happy if Flybe pull out of the Island but look around who is there to replace them?.

 

Easyjet will never do the routes or the frequency and the only niche airlines left in the UK are high fare full service airlines like Eastern/BMIRegional.

 

It is my understanding that Easyjet have been subsidised by the airport to set up these routes to Liverpool and Gatwick ( by not paying landing fees). This might be justified if no one flies on the route or only on an infrequent basis eg Luton, but is patently nonsense when the route is served by 4 flights a day by another carrier and as a taxpayer I object to it most strongly.

 

Hopefully, Flybe will take the fight to Easyjet, otherwise get used to a daily or less air service to get off the rock.

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I've used Easyjet several times, with a decent load factor every time. I like the aircraft and the prices and wouldn't dream of travelling with any other airline on a route served by them. I have two more trips booked for this year, both continuing with Easyjet to other destinations. Couldn't afford to do it with the competition... Edited to add - I can carry a bigger bag as hand luggage on Easyjet so I don't need to check-in hold luggage.

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It is my understanding that Easyjet have been subsidised by the airport to set up these routes to Liverpool and Gatwick ( by not paying landing fees).

 

If your understanding is true then it is scandalous. Anyone else know anything about this? If true it should be the subject of a legal challenge by FlyBe as an anti-competitive measure. Furthermore if I were them I would threaten to pull off every other route to IOM for good measure.

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I was saying exactly the same thing myself the other day. I don't think its good policy by the airport because whilst its good for tourists getting cheap flights to London all its going to do is spoil the IoM as a business hub and at the moment its the business travellers keeping the economy afloat. If Flybe pull out of key routes or restrict Gatwick flights in future its going to make it even less attractive to set up a business in the Island. Business travellers dont want to fly at the times EasyJet fly at and often want to use Flybe for connecting flights so Easyjet really only appeal to students and tourists. If Flybe start pulling services they are currently subsidising with the Gatwick route then it will be very bad for the Isle of Man. Surely those in charge at the airport must have known this was a risk before doing a deal with Easyjet on Gatwick?

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It is my understanding that Easyjet have been subsidised by the airport to set up these routes to Liverpool and Gatwick ( by not paying landing fees).

 

If your understanding is true then it is scandalous. Anyone else know anything about this? If true it should be the subject of a legal challenge by FlyBe as an anti-competitive measure. Furthermore if I were them I would threaten to pull off every other route to IOM for good measure.

There's no competition law in the Isle of Man, although I agree it is an outrage if true

 

It's quite common for airports to subsidise new routes or new carriers on routes or even expanding an existing service with extra flights in this way. There are EU rules on this as to what is and isn't allowed (Ryan Air fell foul of them once I seem to remember). How much those rules apply here I wouldn't know, but given that the other end of these flights is in the EU, they may have some relevance - EU rules certainly apply for other things such as cancelled flights, even though the Island isn't part of it.

 

I do wonder if there is a bit of unnecessary panic over these Easyjet Gatwick flights. After all Flybe haven't stopped operating from Liverpool, despite the competition. I suspect a lot of the Easyjet Liverpool traffic is new business, both on and off the Island. The low fares make it very attractive to make extra trips, perhaps only for a few days. Given the timings, the same may be true of the new Gatwick route as well. Even if they attract some passengers away from Flybe, those probably will be students and tourists, who will be lower revenue fares in any case.

 

Of course the fact that a lot of the business that Easyjet seems to attracting is new throws the wider airport figures into a very stark light. Easyjet's one flight a day is responsible for nearly 10% of air traffic at Ronaldsway, so you can imagine just how much worse they would be without it.

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I used to dislike flybe but since they started playing fair, i've come around to them. Much like one forgives an old friend for a period of rudeness.

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Of course the fact that a lot of the business that Easyjet seems to attracting is new throws the wider airport figures into a very stark light. Easyjet's one flight a day is responsible for nearly 10% of air traffic at Ronaldsway, so you can imagine just how much worse they would be without it.

 

That is my main worry here: that the primary motivation for the Easyjet deal has been so that a civil servant can try to make the airport passenger traveller figures look better without a thought for the wider commercial implications of allowing them to carve a hole into one of Flybe's few profitable Manx routes. I would hope that this is not the case of a jobsworth trying to justify their job by managing the statistics at the expense of basic commercial logic. My job relies on me being able to be on the ground in London before 8:30 on a Monday morning and I'm sure its the same for many business travellers in financial services. I also don't want to see Manchester / Birmingham / Bristol routes etc in jeopardy either as many businesses rely on these too as the Island has to be fully accessible to business travellers from the UK's major cities.

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I always used to grumble about the flybe costs to Gatwick and as a business traveller I use them quite often. Hoever since BA have come on board I checked the flights the other day and ended up going with Flybe as they were about 40% cheaper than BA's price, so they have obviously sharpened their pencil on that route, which to be honest is good for competition as they used to have it all their own way over the past 12 months.

I can also see the point that people make about Flybe leaving the island so you would hope that our government have taken some very good advice on this and not gone for the glory card by using short term gain over long term planning.....

 

...however that would necessitate our elected officiials having some sort of commercial nous and common sense, something which (if past evidence is anything to go by) is evidently lacking.

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