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In Tuvalu in the Pacific, and quite possibly on other Pacific islands, they have a creation story in their religion that is based on a god, men and women, a secret that they must not seek to uncover, original sin, expulsion from Paradise and the god that having expelled them from Paradise promises to still look after them.

 

Much of religion seems to come back to similar roots to help understand the inexplicable

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There is much wisdom to be had in the Bible - just don't automaticaly take it literally and realise that it needs to be interpreted to be understood properly.

 

A man made book, being interpreted by man, telling man what to do.....yeah, I can see no margin for error there.

A bit like Queen's regs?

Difference between the Queen's Regs and the Bible, is the military aren't trying to ram in down non-military peoples throats.

 

Now go get your hair cut and shine those shoes before the Queen comes to get you and place you in the Glass House for eternity.

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Convincing creationists isn't easy!

 

From your own signature, Chinahand!

"you cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place"

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In Tuvalu in the Pacific, and quite possibly on other Pacific islands, they have a creation story in their religion that is based on a god, men and women, a secret that they must not seek to uncover, original sin, expulsion from Paradise and the god that having expelled them from Paradise promises to still look after them.

 

Much of religion seems to come back to similar roots to help understand the inexplicable

So they have belief in something existing and in some sort of a story about how things are, but sitting over that is a requirement that they not look into it. How very convenient.

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In Tuvalu in the Pacific, and quite possibly on other Pacific islands, they have a creation story in their religion that is based on a god, men and women, a secret that they must not seek to uncover, original sin, expulsion from Paradise and the god that having expelled them from Paradise promises to still look after them.

 

Much of religion seems to come back to similar roots to help understand the inexplicable

Interesting, Mans. Do you know if these beliefs owe anything to the activity of Christian missionaries or if they are indigenous?

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So they have belief in something existing and in some sort of a story about how things are, but sitting over that is a requirement that they not look into it. How very convenient.

On the other hand, it does stop them wasting their time on something they have no hope of solving. Bit like Buddhism, where the origins of everything are something not to be concerned about.

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So they have belief in something existing and in some sort of a story about how things are, but sitting over that is a requirement that they not look into it. How very convenient.

On the other hand, it does stop them wasting their time on something they have no hope of solving. Bit like Buddhism, where the origins of everything are something not to be concerned about.

Attempting to discover the undiscovered is never a waste of time. Knowledge, and the accruing of, is one rare thing that humans have done of value.

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[Attempting to discover the undiscovered is never a waste of time. Knowledge, and the accruing of, is one rare thing that humans have done of value.

I appreciate the point, HeliX, and I agree that knowledge is worth pursuing for its' own sake. But for those people, with their lack of science and knowledge, it is a sensible enough approach. It is only our scientific background which puts us in a position to ask questions about the origins of everything. Even so we are unable to say where everything originated and maybe we never will know.

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Even so we are unable to say where everything originated .......

 

At this time. At one point, it was believed that man would never fly.

 

It is only through perserverance and an inquisitive mind will human break the shackles of ignorace. The shackles put in place by religious doctrine.

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Even then it's possible that we're simply not smart enough to understand the start of the Universe. Still worth giving it a damn good go though!

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Anyone who seeks to obey the ten commandmants (which ten commandmants by the way? there are different ones you know...) or to use them as a basis of how to live their life probably hasn't read them.

 

The two main stories involving religion this week are the attempted murder of a fourteen year old girl in Pakistan, and the attempt to destory all gay rights in Ukraine.

 

That's about par for the course.

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On the other hand, it does stop them wasting their time on something they have no hope of solving. Bit like Buddhism, where the origins of everything are something not to be concerned about.

But they should stop wasting their with the idea of A god, supernatural entities and baseless explanations unless they can support them.

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But they should stop wasting their with the idea of A god, supernatural entities and baseless explanations unless they can support them.

You are assuming that all societies are (or should be) the same as ours in the West. This is not the case (and it is debatable whether it would necessarily be a good thing if they were). Religion (including Science) is to serve the needs of people - so, if their beliefs at present suit them that's fine. Why should they have to be the same as us?

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Time spent praying, is wasted time. Get off your knees and do something prodcutive.

But, MDO, if you understood prayer properly you would know that it can be extremely productive.

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