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Tourist Bus Sinks With 30 People On Board

Twenty two people have been taken to hospital after an amphibious tourist bus sank in Liverpool in the second incident in recent months.

Bet their hospitals don't need to use this accident in the media to prove how wonderful they are!

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I'd love to see that challenged in Court.

Me too. it almost seems like a threat to me. I doubt the EU would allow it, oh hang on.......

 

Edit: Just wondering if anyone seen to have 'assisted' at Stafford is now sitting at home without a pension (not that I'm drawing any similarity of Stafford to Nobles you understand). The more I think about the more I am of the opinion that if any employer anywhere withheld a pension for disciplinary reasons, that would be bullying of the worst kind. Surely it could never happen in the 21st C?

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@ wrighty, if things are so good, why as you said, "changes since the letter" only occurring now that these concerns have been made public. Why were they not acted upon in 2006, or in October when they were highlighted through the correct channels? And sorry but I have too much to lose than to approach you in person so you can go and broadcast my identity to the Halton mafia, sorry but the knives are out at present sad.png

I think you are missing the point Wrighty. Why has it taken all of this time for them to take action, it has been 8 months and nothing? Now because they are in the spotlight and at risk of losing there jobs 'changes are happening'. Whilst I applaud the work of those individuals who have worked tirelessly on plans during these 8months for the changes, I have no respect, confidence or trust in those people that I know blatantly lie, bully and intimidate their staff making their working lives virtually intolerable. Whether you believe the bullying 'insinuations or not, I know they are real, as many of the others who have sooken out do to. I would also suggest that you are probably unaffected by bullying & intimidation due to your seniority and personality, which is great, for you. I would like to thank you for your kind offer of assistance, but in this instance I'll decline.
I'm not missing a point. I too am disappointed at the pace of change - I fed back my recommendations for the 'workstreams' in January, after waiting about 6 weeks for someone to get back to me. Manx inertia is desperately frustrating.

 

I'm inclined to believe the bullying allegations. I am, currently, unaffected by them, but in the past I have been bullied by senior colleagues. Won't happen again, and even in the past I stood my ground (thanks to my personality:) ). I've also been accused of bullying and harrassment. I prevented a former colleague from doing operations he was clearly not competent to do, and he didn't like the way I went about it. The investigation found that I was acting in the interests of patient safety and the accusation was thrown out by the independent investigator.

 

@tameelf - Who are you referring to that I 'big up'? I'm neither clueless nor part of the problem. I do however have a broader picture of the hospital than people who feel they have been wronged by a specific consultant, and if someone is named as being a general problem when in fact he's had a specific complication, then I will use that 'broader picture' to defend such a person.

 

@geno - Why would I broadcast your identity to the 'Halton Mafia'? I'm not from Halton myself - all I know about the place was that as a plastic surgery SHO in 1997, I'd receive referrals from them as they were unable to deal with the most minor hand injuries. Trust who you like, but you've got nothing to worry about being open with me.

Please keep commenting wrighty, your posts are the most balanced in this whole thread.

I have no doubt Wrighty will continue to contribute to this thread. I'm sure if you do not know the inner workings of Noble's Hospital his posts appear extremely reasonable and make a lot of sense. Those of us who work at the hospital think they are too, if you're an 'elective', patient without complications, a smooth recovery and have no requirement for acute interventions.

 

By Wrighty's own admission in an earlier post he is unable to comment on this aspect as this is not his area of expertise, hence he did not feel able to contribute to the letter sent by the 10 Consultants back in October. I believe Wrighty said that fortunately his patients do not experience many complications, therefore he may be unaware of the true extent of the difficulties faced for the medical or acute side of patient care. The reality for these patients is their experience may be completely different should complications set in and they require acute/intensive care. Although these posts make 'uncomfortable' reading, it is a reality and where a majority of the changes are required.

 

Apologies if you feel my posts are unbalanced, but I only post from my own experiences and opinions and with a wish to ensure my patients are safe, well treated and cared for. I have no further 'agenda' other than this, and incidentally, this IS my area of expertise.

I wasn`t suggesting yours were unbalanced, just a coincidence that I used the quote where he was talking to you.

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and me lagman both me and wrighty cant be right..... the broadest picture of the hospital can be heard from liverpool cabbys over breakfast

 

Once again not having a pop at anyone in particular, just think wrighty is most likely to be the person with the most balanced viewpoint.

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Having started to wade through the Francis report the most telling and strikingly familiar statement is this :

"Warning signs

1.1 During the course of both the first inquiry and the present there has been a constant refrain from those charged with managing, leading, overseeing or regulating the Trust’s provision of services that no cause for concern was drawn to their attention, or that no one spoke up about concerns."

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From a more Noble time.....

 

THINE arm, O Lord, in days of old,
Was strong, to heal and save;
It triumphed o'er disease and death,
O'er darkness and the grave.
To, Thee they went, the blind, the dumb,
The palsied and the lame,
The leper with his tainted life,
The sick with fevered frame.
And lo ! Thy touch brought life and health,
Gave speech, and strength, and right;
And youth renewed, and frenzy calmed..............

 

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a bit of history..... http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/mquart/mq11sup.htm

 

to a lesser one?

 

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TTIOT - THANK YOU as always.

 

Lagman - do you have an office on the corridor of power?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ wrighty, if things are so good, why as you said, "changes since the letter" only occurring now that these concerns have been made public. Why were they not acted upon in 2006, or in October when they were highlighted through the correct channels? And sorry but I have too much to lose than to approach you in person so you can go and broadcast my identity to the Halton mafia, sorry but the knives are out at present :(

 

I think you are missing the point Wrighty. Why has it taken all of this time for them to take action, it has been 8 months and nothing? Now because they are in the spotlight and at risk of losing there jobs 'changes are happening'. Whilst I applaud the work of those individuals who have worked tirelessly on plans during these 8months for the changes, I have no respect, confidence or trust in those people that I know blatantly lie, bully and intimidate their staff making their working lives virtually intolerable. Whether you believe the bullying 'insinuations or not, I know they are real, as many of the others who have sooken out do to. I would also suggest that you are probably unaffected by bullying & intimidation due to your seniority and personality, which is great, for you. I would like to thank you for your kind offer of assistance, but in this instance I'll decline.
I'm not missing a point. I too am disappointed at the pace of change - I fed back my recommendations for the 'workstreams' in January, after waiting about 6 weeks for someone to get back to me. Manx inertia is desperately frustrating.

 

I'm inclined to believe the bullying allegations. I am, currently, unaffected by them, but in the past I have been bullied by senior colleagues. Won't happen again, and even in the past I stood my ground (thanks to my personality:) ). I've also been accused of bullying and harrassment. I prevented a former colleague from doing operations he was clearly not competent to do, and he didn't like the way I went about it. The investigation found that I was acting in the interests of patient safety and the accusation was thrown out by the independent investigator.

 

@tameelf - Who are you referring to that I 'big up'? I'm neither clueless nor part of the problem. I do however have a broader picture of the hospital than people who feel they have been wronged by a specific consultant, and if someone is named as being a general problem when in fact he's had a specific complication, then I will use that 'broader picture' to defend such a person.

 

@geno - Why would I broadcast your identity to the 'Halton Mafia'? I'm not from Halton myself - all I know about the place was that as a plastic surgery SHO in 1997, I'd receive referrals from them as they were unable to deal with the most minor hand injuries. Trust who you like, but you've got nothing to worry about being open with me.

Please keep commenting wrighty, your posts are the most balanced in this whole thread.

I have no doubt Wrighty will continue to contribute to this thread. I'm sure if you do not know the inner workings of Noble's Hospital his posts appear extremely reasonable and make a lot of sense. Those of us who work at the hospital think they are too, if you're an 'elective', patient without complications, a smooth recovery and have no requirement for acute interventions.

 

By Wrighty's own admission in an earlier post he is unable to comment on this aspect as this is not his area of expertise, hence he did not feel able to contribute to the letter sent by the 10 Consultants back in October. I believe Wrighty said that fortunately his patients do not experience many complications, therefore he may be unaware of the true extent of the difficulties faced for the medical or acute side of patient care. The reality for these patients is their experience may be completely different should complications set in and they require acute/intensive care. Although these posts make 'uncomfortable' reading, it is a reality and where a majority of the changes are required.

 

Apologies if you feel my posts are unbalanced, but I only post from my own experiences and opinions and with a wish to ensure my patients are safe, well treated and cared for. I have no further 'agenda' other than this, and incidentally, this IS my area of expertise.

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Again from the executive summary of the Francis report:

 

"Negative culture

1.6 While it is clear that, in spite of the warning signs, the wider system did not react to the constant flow of information signalling cause for concern, those with the most clear and close responsibility for ensuring that a safe and good standard care was provided to patients in Stafford, namely the Board and other leaders within the Trust, failed to appreciate the enormity of what was happening, reacted too slowly, if at all, to some matters of concern

of which they were aware, and downplayed the significance of others. In the first report, this was attributed in a large part to an engrained culture of tolerance of poor standards, a focus on finance and targets, denial of concerns, and an isolation from practice elsewhere. Nothing I have heard in this Inquiry suggests that this analysis was wrong. Indeed the evidence has only reinforced it.

1.7 The Trust’s culture was one of self promotion rather than critical analysis and openness.

This can be seen from the way the Trust approached its FT application, its approach to high Hospital Standardised Mortality Ratios (HSMRs) and its inaccurate self declaration of its own performance. It took false assurance from good news, and yet tolerated or sought to explain away bad news."

 

The similarities to Noble's are beyond belief yet management and he DoH still deny any culpability.

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Again from the executive summary of the Francis report:

 

"Negative culture

1.6 While it is clear that, in spite of the warning signs, the wider system did not react to the constant flow of information signalling cause for concern, those with the most clear and close responsibility for ensuring that a safe and good standard care was provided to patients in Stafford, namely the Board and other leaders within the Trust, failed to appreciate the enormity of what was happening, reacted too slowly, if at all, to some matters of concern

of which they were aware, and downplayed the significance of others. In the first report, this was attributed in a large part to an engrained culture of tolerance of poor standards, a focus on finance and targets, denial of concerns, and an isolation from practice elsewhere. Nothing I have heard in this Inquiry suggests that this analysis was wrong. Indeed the evidence has only reinforced it.

1.7 The Trust’s culture was one of self promotion rather than critical analysis and openness.

This can be seen from the way the Trust approached its FT application, its approach to high Hospital Standardised Mortality Ratios (HSMRs) and its inaccurate self declaration of its own performance. It took false assurance from good news, and yet tolerated or sought to explain away bad news."

 

The similarities to Noble's are beyond belief yet management and he DoH still deny any culpability.

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Again from the executive summary of the Francis report:

"Negative culture

1.6 While it is clear that, in spite of the warning signs, the wider system did not react to the constant flow of information signalling cause for concern, those with the most clear and close responsibility for ensuring that a safe and good standard care was provided to patients in Stafford, namely the Board and other leaders within the Trust, failed to appreciate the enormity of what was happening, reacted too slowly, if at all, to some matters of concern

of which they were aware, and downplayed the significance of others. In the first report, this was attributed in a large part to an engrained culture of tolerance of poor standards, a focus on finance and targets, denial of concerns, and an isolation from practice elsewhere. Nothing I have heard in this Inquiry suggests that this analysis was wrong. Indeed the evidence has only reinforced it.

1.7 The Trust’s culture was one of self promotion rather than critical analysis and openness.

This can be seen from the way the Trust approached its FT application, its approach to high Hospital Standardised Mortality Ratios (HSMRs) and its inaccurate self declaration of its own performance. It took false assurance from good news, and yet tolerated or sought to explain away bad news."

The similarities to Noble's are beyond belief yet management and he DoH still deny any culpability.

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Manxkipper. Are you quite sure that inquiry report doesn't say Noble's Hospital not Stafford Hospital?

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The Telegraph
Stafford Hospital scandal families 'to sue NHS managers for corporate manslaughter' Families bereaved by failings at Stafford Hospital are planning to sue NHS managers for corporate manslaughter.

By Aislinn Laing

7:30AM 01 Mar 2010

 

As many as 1,200 patients died amid substandard conditions and care at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust between 2005 and 2008.

But it emerged last week, following the publication of a highly critical report commissioned by the Government, that none of the senior managers who were in charge at the time faced disciplinary action.

Martin Yeates, the former chief executive, received a large pay-off while others were either paid off, walked into another job or were allowed to remain in post.

Now Cure The NHS Campaign, a group created by people who lost relatives or were victims of poor care and support within Mid-Staffordshire Foundation Trust hospitals, has announced it will take matters into its own hands.

Its leader, Julie Bailey, whose mother Isabel died at Stafford Hospital, said it is considering launching a private prosecution of board members including Mr Yeates, Chairwoman Toni Brisby and nursing head Dr Helen Moss.

"These people need to be brought to account," Miss Bailey, from Stafford, said.

"What they did in our eyes is tantamount to corporate manslaughter and Cure The NHS is looking at bringing a private civil case against the managers for just that.

"This is especially important if the judicial review to get a proper public inquiry fails because none of them has taken the stand in public to give evidence.

"These managers presided over care while our loved ones suffered and died. It doesn't seem credible that they can walk away from Mid Staffordshire unblemished."

The plans to take legal action over Stafford coincided with the news that five other hospitals with high patient deaths had escaped investigation by regulator the Care Quality Commission.

Blackpool, Fylde and Wyre Foundation Trust, University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust, Kettering General Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, Royal Bolton Hospital NHS Foundation Trust and Pennine Acute Hospitals NHS Trust all had unexpected death rates above the national average.

Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, called for the hospitals to be investigated urgently.

"We cannot allow Stafford to happen again," he said. "The Health Secretary has to ensure these hospitals are inspected to clear the air."

An independent inquiry chaired by Robert Francis QC, a specialist in clinical negligence, found that patients at Stafford hospitals were abused and neglected by hostile staff and were left in humiliating and undignified conditions.

Patients, most of whom were treated at the trust's main hospital in Stafford, were "robbed of their dignity", left in soiled bedclothes, unwashed and in states of undress in full view of others, it found.

However, Mr Francis also found that 18 of the 22 board members who ran the trust over the period under investigation had now left their roles, with none facing disciplinary action.

Several doctors involved in Mid Staffordshire have also been referred to the General Medical Council for investigation and the Nursing and Midwifery Council has opened a case file and is investigating at least one nurse.

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