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I must be the only one on here that believes Mr. Robertshaw is actually charting the right course with his DSC directives.

 

In my opinion the man deserves a bit of credit for tackling some of the issues his Department faces head on & without fear of upsetting those who maybe potential future vote winners,

 

He seems a good man and a decent politician to me.

 

 

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Ask Donald Trumps - I'm willing to bet he can tell you absolutely everything you could possibly want to know!

Donald, the thing about Robertshaw, besides his political inclination and policies, is that he rarely if ever comes accross as having anything in the way of substance and or aptitude for thought and r

Realists hereby petition the Chief Minister to move him as far away from any responsible job as possible. The man is a publicity-seeking, self-aggrandising twunt whose self-proclaimed commercial acume

I was very supportive of Robertshaw in the run up to the election. But then he seemed to 'morph' into a different person! The social, cultural and political framework he appears to be hell bent on fashioning makes me wonder if he is thinking of establishing a Gulag somewhere.

 

“It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.” - Voltaire

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Gulag = workhouse or prison for poor

 

But it will be renamed the "Benefits Community Distribution Centre" which will streamline being poor and make things more efficient and will not be within a nautical of Marksies so nice people can pretend it does not exist.

 

Who knows the BCDC may even get its own care pathway for speedy dispatch of all those useless eaters.

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Donald, the thing about Robertshaw, besides his political inclination and policies, is that he rarely if ever comes accross as having anything in the way of substance and or aptitude for thought and reason.

 

Although he hit more or less the right tone at the start of his political career, it looked a lot like more like bandwagon jumping and empty sloganeering than an adoption of a serious political programme. When challenged or attempting to elaborate upon "his" ideas, he's rarely proved himself of capable of doing more than blindly restating his position or exhibiting an intellectual foundation more substantial than a conviction that he is right.

 

As a result, he usually resembles someone who has only arrived at the conclusions he has through an abject ignorance of any other arguments or even the practical and intellectual details of his own ideas rather than an honest consideration of the facts. And that's me speaking as someone who broadly supports the same ideals of increased accountability, transparency, and government reform as pre-ministerial Robertshaw.

 

Once Minister for Social Care, the one department he said he wouldn't join, this impression has only continued to grow. Besides being a laughably clumsy imitation of Blair's 'Big Conversation' rhetoric, Robertshaw's 'National' and 'Social Policy' debate manifested as a flawed consultation littered with leading questions and suggestive use of statistics.

 

Of course, there's nothing remarkable about the latter part since that tends to be the format most Government consultations take, but what is notable is the way Robertshaw has attempted to 'sell' it and further policies to the public. Eschewing anything like a robust analysis or a proper argument, Robertshaw more usually attempts to justify his department's policies and win over the public with a wholly superficial use of cherry picked statistics (using nominal, rather than real figures when comparing spending over the years, for instance) accompanied by a litter tired clichés about 'entitlement' and things 'running out of control' more suited to the Daily Mail in the way they're designed to whip up panic and resentment than they are to a serious political discussion.

 

What's more, for all his posturing as some kind of reformer, crusader, or breath of fresh air, his actual policies offer little that differs in substance from the government's overall strategy: forcing costs down by cutting every non-statutory service the government thinks they can get away with cutting without inviting too much controversy or opprobrium. I'm sure that to those who share his ideological inclinations, he comes across as making the tough or unpopular decisions, but the fact is that this is the way the government was going to go with Social Care from the very start. Robertshaw is merely an increasingly oily salesman for policies that have been long coming, which is precisely why Bell chose him for the role: because he was the most suitable candidate to deliver and be the public face of measures that had more or less already been decided upon.

 

In short, he's a flake, or at least comes across as one. From the very start, he seems to have spent more time and effort learning how to present himself as a 'proper politician', more often than not by aping the mannerisms and rhetoric of the public face of Westminster and adopting the popular causes and slogans of the day, than he has actually thinking about anything worthwhile.

 

That might have been enough to get him elected, although in that his ambitions immeasurably benefited from the controversy surrounding Woodford's candidature, and continues to serve him well in some quarters, but now he's a Minister his shortcomings are all too obvious; namely, that he's just another over-ambitious small town politician operating on little more than gut reaction and received opinion.

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One reason to support the call for Chris Robertshaw to be moved to the DED would be to remove him from the DSC.

 

Robertshaw is showing his self to be an extreme right wing politician with little empathy for the people most affected by his decisions at the DSC.

 

At the DED, which is also by nature right wing, there are many 'experts' with knowledge of their particular fields and the areas of business development that they are pursuing. It is probably the Dept with the greatest number of these 'Specialist CSs' and is the Dept in which the Minister has the least influence. He can't do much harm at the DED. Can he?

 

At the DSC he has chosen to aim his initial cuts and cost savings at the most vulnerable in society, the poor, the unemployed, the elderly infirmed and social housing tenants. By labelling these as workshy, scroungers, an increasing burden on tax payers, he knows that he has certain amount of support from a sector of the public with what he is doing.

 

However, where will he turn to for his next tranch of cutbacks? The middle classes, pensions, free medical care, perscriptions ? Will we be so happy when he starts on ''us''?

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Cutting VinnieK, cutting. But I agree 100%.

 

I would also add that he is demonising and scapegoating all of those in public sector housing instead of tackling the few people causing the problems and taking the michael - the overall effect has been to tax the poor instead of facing up to many of the real issues such as means testing (other than a few single parents about to get a place).

 

Robertshaw is a modern day Sherrif of Nottingham armed with a Blunderbus.

 

But...at the next general election it could go either way, he could lose the 200 vote advantage that got him in, or the middle class voters (in a constituency where there is little public sector housing) will double it because of his populist rhetoric and his failure to cut the civil service and keep many a constituent in clover maintaining their first class seats on the gravy train. I wouldn't put money on either outcome yet.

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Hasn't Mr. Robertshaw publicly advocated means testing?

 

I'm sure he has, I heard it a few months back ...

 

I'll judge him on that soundbyte alone.

 

Cutting VinnieK, cutting. But I agree 100%.

 

I would also add that he is demonising and scapegoating all of those in public sector housing instead of tackling the few people causing the problems and taking the michael - the overall effect has been to tax the poor instead of facing up to many of the real issues such as means testing (other than a few single parents about to get a place).

 

Robertshaw is a modern day Sherrif of Nottingham armed with a Blunderbus.

 

But...at the next general election it could go either way, he could lose the 200 vote advantage that got him in, or the middle class voters (in a constituency where there is little public sector housing) will double it because of his populist rhetoric and his failure to cut the civil service and keep many a constituent in clover maintaining their first class seats on the gravy train. I wouldn't put money on either outcome yet.

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I must be the only one on here that believes Mr. Robertshaw is actually charting the right course with his DSC directives.

 

In my opinion the man deserves a bit of credit for tackling some of the issues his Department faces head on & without fear of upsetting those who maybe potential future vote winners,

 

He seems a good man and a decent politician to me.

That's ok Nom, even Stalin had his supporters. smile.png

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I lament the absence of a 'full-on' local media to study the work & principles of politicians in some depth

 

Today any mention of the Douglas West by-election was banned from 'Talking Heads'

 

& all I wanted to ask was whether we might consider 'Willy-Nilly' Dawson as a UKIP kind of chap

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I lament the absence of a 'full-on' local media to study the work & principles of politicians in some depth

 

Today any mention of the Douglas West by-election was banned from 'Talking Heads'

 

& all I wanted to ask was whether we might consider 'Willy-Nilly' Dawson as a UKIP kind of chap

This really needs to be in the Douglas West thread, not here.

 

FYI MR are quite hot on not being biased, and have specific political debates during elections to ensure all are heard equally.

 

Personally, I believe UKIP type candidates will do well here, because: 1. most of us don't want to be in the EU 2. the island is pretty much anti-immigrant and quite xenophobic and 3. the tories, labour and lib dems are so tainted by the mess they have made of the UK and the career politicians they have all become that they won't be touched with a barge pole - hence the generic failure of Lib Vannin.

 

IMO any political breakthrough on the island (in terms of party politics) will be made either with a UKIP (MIP) type party, or a group of would-be independent MHKs signed up to a number of specific principles (outside of which they remain independent) yet collectively over the principles form a majority.

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Well, I agree with you on the group of independent MHKs bit, would-be or otherwise

 

More interested in hearing the views of voters & interested members of the public than 'candidates'

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I really hope Robertshaw is not moved he has had the courage to tackle stuff that should have been sorted out years ago, perhaps he is showing too much aptitude... that would never do.

 

He's only tinkering around the edges in terms of the budget of Social Care

 

I asked him at the presentaion of this policy, what he was doing in terms of efficiencies in the operation of the Department, given that he had plenty of experience of running a PLC and whether he would run his Department along those lines

 

He admitted there were inefficiencies in the Department but gave no indication that anything would change other than getting his Civil Servant to refer to a number of "posts" which had been made redundant ( no information as to whether those posts were filled or not)

 

So, big on cutting back on benefits but nothing about cutting the Department's massive wage bill

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Dispensing the island's 'wealth' to a few thousand highly paid civil & public servants rather than spreading it throughout the community is the greatest of the CoMin regimes many failures

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Dispensing the island's 'wealth' to a few thousand highly paid civil & public servants rather than spreading it throughout the community is the greatest of the CoMin regimes many failures

And something that should have been addressed before Robertshaw took the government shilling and began stamping on the people who've had the least share of the island's wealth over the past few years.

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