Citywing Fly Using One The Worlds Least Safe Aircraft.

[ballaughbiker]

Need to find out a bit more about Let410 incidents before engaging Bobbie. If they've all been, say, in the Himalayas operating to or from very short strips with non-precision approaches etc.then something like that might be the issue rather than the aircraft itself. Just a thought.

Edited June 23, 2013 by ballaughbiker

[Bobbie Bobster]

Apologies bb, I thought you were referring to the MF comments, rather than the original article - which is superficial, if not somewhat misleading in highlighting the raw figures - although to be fair they did include the quote I highlighted.

[ballaughbiker]

Usual discretion (and scepticism) required in interpreting the info here. The source of these opinions, like Prune is hardly 'official' and therefore open to question

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/2944883/

Edited June 23, 2013 by ballaughbiker

[Risso]

@Risso Sorry, I'm missing your point.

 

Crap attempt at a joke sorry....third world country...Isle of Man.....nevermind.

[WTF]

the planes are secondary to the unsafe pilots though?? just a shame the cowboy pilots get to take out innocent passengers with them.

[Blade Runner]

I suppose you could add the flights to the island onto an extreme holiday package, you know cliff jumping type stuff, emphasising the thrills start in the UK when you board the plane.............................

 

The adrenaline junkies would love it , in-flight drinks Red Bull shots and the option to jump out over Castletown for the parachute types?

[woolley]

I would never choose to use them as I don't like the business model. If I book with a real vertically integrated airline, at least if anything does go wrong the buck stops with them and they have to answer. I don't like the idea of buying tickets from an outfit who can then buy in the service from wherever at whatever price and then after a crash turns round and says "Nothing to do with us folks. You need to speak to Pedro in Barcelona" or similar. I appreciate that the actual operator still has to have all of the licences, certificate etc, but to me it just feels all wrong.

 

ETA: I wonder how many people who listen to their adverts even now think that Citywing is actually an airline. That is certainly the impression that comes across. IMO anyone running this kind of business should have to call themselves a ticket agency and make clear exactly who you will be flying with in all publicity and advertising.

Edited June 24, 2013 by woolley

[Lxxx]

I would never choose to use them as I don't like the business model. If I book with a real vertically integrated airline, at least if anything does go wrong the buck stops with them and they have to answer. I don't like the idea of buying tickets from an outfit who can then buy in the service from wherever at whatever price and then after a crash turns round and says "Nothing to do with us folks. You need to speak to Pedro in Barcelona" or similar. I appreciate that the actual operator still has to have all of the licences, certificate etc, but to me it just feels all wrong.

+1.

[twinkle]

I would never choose to use them as I don't like the business model. If I book with a real vertically integrated airline, at least if anything does go wrong the buck stops with them and they have to answer. I don't like the idea of buying tickets from an outfit who can then buy in the service from wherever at whatever price and then after a crash turns round and says "Nothing to do with us folks. You need to speak to Pedro in Barcelona" or similar. I appreciate that the actual operator still has to have all of the licences, certificate etc, but to me it just feels all wrong.

 

ETA: I wonder how many people who listen to their adverts even now think that Citywing is actually an airline. That is certainly the impression that comes across. IMO anyone running this kind of business should have to call themselves a ticket agency and make clear exactly who you will be flying with in all publicity and advertising.

 

the planes are secondary to the unsafe pilots though?? just a shame the cowboy pilots get to take out innocent passengers with them.

absolutely correct,i wouldn't use these cowboys even if I had to f88king swim, beats me how they get away with it, yeh I know its "legal yaddy yah yah yah,but they are still a bunch of cowboys in my view

[Stu Peters]

Wouldn't give it a second thought. Their pilots seem highly skilled on the few crosswind approaches I've seen.

 

And as for not flying with a ticketing company in case the aircraft they charter crashes and the insurance might need some chasing - Jebus, you worry too much!

[Tarne]

Indeed, every time I've flown on them they've been always ontime and grand

[irishwasa]

Ha, I have always found them no problem. I have have flown on a few flights in africa which would more readily be considered as dodgy or dangerous. As Stu says, you worry too much!

[Snowflake]

I've lost a few friends to aircrashes (including pertrol pigeons) and witnessed one. I still am happy to use citywing. Private planes from Braddan Airfield I DO draw the line at.

[madmanxpilot]

The poor safety record of this particular type no doubt results from where they are primarily used - jungles, mountains, war zones and third world countries. In these places the flying is more challenging and oversight of what goes on minimal.

 

Oversight and accountability are key to air safety.

[Lxxx]

The poor safety record of this particular type no doubt results from where they are primarily used - jungles, mountains, war zones and third world countries. In these places the flying is more challenging and oversight of what goes on minimal.

 

Oversight and accountability are key to air safety.

Which is quite handy actually, what with the IoM slowly degenerating into a third world economy.