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If people are unhappy with the Police, then get rid of them!

Ok, so you're crime rate will naturally go up, your lawlessness will increase, people taking things into their own hands, but hey, this is what you want, you either want them, or you don't?

I couldn't give a shite as to what other peoples preferences are, but as said earlier, do you want then or not?

Your call.

 

Yes of course, the only choices are to accept the current situation, or have no police force at all. It is entirely inappropriate to suggest that there is any middle ground between the two at all. The police budget can only be increased, maintained, or cut to zero. There is no scope for cuts of less than 100 per cent.

 

You're a cock. They don't need Cosworths, they just like them. They don't need Range Rovers, they just want them. And up to now, they have been given the budget for them. That is no longer going to be the case and I think that is a good thing.

 

I personally would absolutely mullah their budget, get more of them out of their fat arses in the control room or the Range Rover and pacing the streets, and make them wait several more years before drawing their fat, over-subsidised pension. But I wouldn't do away with them altogether, because that is just a STUPID idea

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Why should the police expect to be exempt from the real world? I am sure that the police will protest that as the result of any cuts to their funding the Island is going to fall into an abyss of anar

I have lived in or spent some time in all the countries of the British Isles. This is the first area that I have encountered where public safety is properly and adequately taken care of by its police

I personally don't see it as dawdling as there's people criticising his workforce without knowing the facts and looking at above, DF is doing just that and not relying on fanciful or personal opinions

The Manx police do a good job in my opinion. They should be left alone to get on with doing a good job.

 

Seems to me everyone has to share the pain except for the people dishing it out.

 

What was that mhk pension thing again..........

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Perhaps the police could be given cars other than fucking Range Rovers to drive around in

 

 

Exactly, how often do they actually need anything other than a Ford Focus or a Transit ?

 

Watched that program about Ryanair & Easyjet last week and one of the clever policies was to only operate one type of aircraft

 

Training pilot & crew on only one type saved serious money, but the other great saving was in purchase costs, spares & servicing

 

We should apply that model across all departments, bin lorries, buses, DOI vans etc.

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There are lots of classic vehicles on the island, perhaps it will save a lot if we go back to the 'Heartbeat' model of policing here, especially since most people perceive life to be like that here still.

 

Plus, instead of those annoying sirens on their way to 'emergencies' we could hear a few 1960's hits.

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Are all civil servants unnecessary?

 

The question is: when are you and other civil servants going to stop hiding behind this reductio ad absurdum logical fallacy?

 

I don't work for Isle of Man Government. Can you answer my question please - are all civil servants unnecessary?

 

Is this supposed to be a serious or meaningful question? Of course there are necessary civil servants; there are even very good, hard-working civil servants. But the majority of civil servants are pen-pushing jobsworths. The problem with the civil service is not civil servants in and of themselves but the sort of people who get recruited. I have worked in many different departments and I am telling you there are sections in the government where there are people who sit there with no work to do all day, and that includes management, and they conspire among themselves to try to hide this truth and pretend they're busy. They don't want hard-workers to join them; they keep in their cushy overpaid jobs by carefully calculating a slow pace of work in order to perpetuate the illusion of a surplus of work. They'll harp on about how much work there is to do, but they're deliberately working at a slow pace because if they actually worked at a proper speed, they'd run out of work all the time, and then questions would be asked about the necessity of their jobs.

How about getting rid of that overworked Department the Magical Office of Fair Unfair Trading, at a yearly cost of over £800,000 and rising, with a range of successful reports done, IE three on Petrol prices, which were each year nearly word for word the same, then that one on the Steam Packet which never reached the public domain, my, my, the extra money that must have been spent on those never came to light.

The days when all they had to do was check weighing scales is over, apart from checking for fake goods, so the big names could be protected, and if there is any scare about unsafe goods, it usually comes from the UK OFT, they seem to be on the ball, all this place does is get the reports and testing from them.

They don't have the facilities for testing here, everything has to go away, like testing fuel content for water.

I remember a few years ago when there was a picture in the paper of a MHK with a garden roller and a load of watches in front of them, ready to be crushed, I think it was a local trader who had them confiscated, the word was they were clearly advertised as not the real thing, but that didn't matter, so the public didn't have a chance of a cheap watch, they will have to go abroad to the EU to get them.

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There are lots of classic vehicles on the island, perhaps it will save a lot if we go back to the 'Heartbeat' model of policing here, especially since most people perceive life to be like that here still.

 

Plus, instead of those annoying sirens on their way to 'emergencies' we could hear a few 1960's hits.

 

 

 

'Stop!' (in the name of love) = Diana Ross (no relation to Nick Ross...)

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Perhaps the police could be given cars other than fucking Range Rovers to drive around in

 

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I appreciate that times have moved on but the Island used to be policed effectively using mini vans, then metro vans, then Astravans, then Escorts. and Ford combivans.

 

Now, we're up to Range Rovers and Discoveries. In 1989 they bought Sierra Cosworths, justifying it on the grounds that they were a "contract purchase" at no extra expense to the taxpayer.

 

I'm calling bullshit on this. It's just expensive toys for the boys to overspend the annual budget and ensure more for next year. There's nowhere for a car thief or joyrider on the island to run to and thus no requirement for these expensive motorway pursuit vehicles.

 

And how many of these vehicles get pranged every year by inexperienced Police drivers? Wasn't it raised in Tynwald a few years back.

Why are they using these vehicles?

Once you know that, then you can make a judgement on this.

Would a cossy be useful in snow or would a landrover be most appropriate?

Would a landrover be useful in a high speed chase or would a cossy be best?

I don't really care, but I guess that the Police would need vehicles for all types of contingencies, but what's your view?

 

edited to put a g in contingencies because some arseholes like to pull peoples grammar apart, but generally speaking, I couldn't give a f*ck

 

Cliff, as per the first line of my original post, the Island USED to be policed EFFECTIVELY using much less expensive vehicles, and we had snow and the odd chase in those days too. Motor crime hasn't increased dramatically since, say, the late eighties; the Police/Dept. of Home Affairs claim that other types of crime are on the DECREASE; but the expense and style of Police vehicles has increased dramatically. When was the last high-speed chase requiring a motorway-type pursuit vehicle on the IoM? (and I'm not talking about the 40mph chase of a drunk driver or expired tax disc around St. Marks)

 

Do you seriously think that the Dept of Home Affairs and the Police wouldn't have a helicopter(s) as well if the budget would have allowed it?

 

The Police are going to have to face up to some economic realities as well in the current climate, I'm afraid. And a relatively low-crime area like the Island can easily be policed without the expense of the toys for the boys. They're just going to have to deal with it and make the relevant decisions.

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Are all civil servants unnecessary?

 

The question is: when are you and other civil servants going to stop hiding behind this reductio ad absurdum logical fallacy?

 

I don't work for Isle of Man Government. Can you answer my question please - are all civil servants unnecessary?

 

Is this supposed to be a serious or meaningful question? Of course there are necessary civil servants; there are even very good, hard-working civil servants. But the majority of civil servants are pen-pushing jobsworths. The problem with the civil service is not civil servants in and of themselves but the sort of people who get recruited. I have worked in many different departments and I am telling you there are sections in the government where there are people who sit there with no work to do all day, and that includes management, and they conspire among themselves to try to hide this truth and pretend they're busy. They don't want hard-workers to join them; they keep in their cushy overpaid jobs by carefully calculating a slow pace of work in order to perpetuate the illusion of a surplus of work. They'll harp on about how much work there is to do, but they're deliberately working at a slow pace because if they actually worked at a proper speed, they'd run out of work all the time, and then questions would be asked about the necessity of their jobs.

How about getting rid of that overworked Department the Magical Office of Fair Unfair Trading, at a yearly cost of over £800,000 and rising, with a range of successful reports done, IE three on Petrol prices, which were each year nearly word for word the same, then that one on the Steam Packet which never reached the public domain, my, my, the extra money that must have been spent on those never came to light.

The days when all they had to do was check weighing scales is over, apart from checking for fake goods, so the big names could be protected, and if there is any scare about unsafe goods, it usually comes from the UK OFT, they seem to be on the ball, all this place does is get the reports and testing from them.

They don't have the facilities for testing here, everything has to go away, like testing fuel content for water.

I remember a few years ago when there was a picture in the paper of a MHK with a garden roller and a load of watches in front of them, ready to be crushed, I think it was a local trader who had them confiscated, the word was they were clearly advertised as not the real thing, but that didn't matter, so the public didn't have a chance of a cheap watch, they will have to go abroad to the EU to get them.

Fair comment!

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Policing is seemingly one of those jobs where everybody else knows best. There's a lot of ill-informed comments on here (two particular favourites are the repeated comments about Ford Cosworths that haven't been seen for about 10 years but lasted for about 12-14 yrs before being changed and emptying the control rooms of police officers which were civilianised in the mid noughties and only have a Sgt working there now).

 

Those that are unhappy could go to the UK and see how long the novelty of living in areas where community policing that the island enjoys has become a thing of the past or join the specials.

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While we're contemplating forced cheap labour for people out of work through no fault of their own, perhaps way could save money by doing away with the right of habeas corpus and due process and give police the power to throw people in jail without the need for any expensive trials. Perhaps we could also start making old people with no money dig their own graves before dying instead of the taxpayer having to foot the bill. Welcome to Bell's Prosperous and Caring Society [if you're a civil servant, that is].

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Policing is seemingly one of those jobs where everybody else knows best. There's a lot of ill-informed comments on here (two particular favourites are the repeated comments about Ford Cosworths that haven't been seen for about 10 years but lasted for about 12-14 yrs before being changed and emptying the control rooms of police officers which were civilianised in the mid noughties and only have a Sgt working there now).

 

Those that are unhappy could go to the UK and see how long the novelty of living in areas where community policing that the island enjoys has become a thing of the past or join the specials.

 

bohemiansurfer, you've obviously got some "relatively" inside knowledge of past/current Police operating methods, in apparent contrast to some of the posters whom you've described as "ill-informed". Do you have any suggestions for areas of economies, given that the economies ARE coming and/or going to have to be made?

Or how do you justify the current levels of expense, including vehicles and equipment?

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I'll just throw this into the pot. Minorca, similar size, similar population has three different forces. Guardia Civil, Local police and town police. The town bobbies either walk or use motor scooters, the local ones seem to use small cars like the little Skoda and the tough guys, the Guardia use Nissan or similar 4x4s. The town guys use BIG sticks , all the rest are armed.

 

Just as an aside the roads are very good, many new ones and it only takes a few weeks to build or repair roads not years.

 

Before anyone suggests I live there, I am very happy here thank you, I just wonder if there are things to learn from similar jurisdictions

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