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To be fair i don't suppose there are too many firms with the experience and expertise in surveying public service employees sitting round on the Isle of Man waiting to pick up a contract for that sort of work.

 

But we can't afford to bring the hospital waiting lists down. We can't afford pre-school education. We are introducing a toilet tax. Why do we need to do this? Mind you, I'd just love to see some of the responses.

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Government not buying local in its "what you think about your conditions and how is it going" survey for Govt employees. They have a firm from Essex in "to assist" in this "important" work. Clearly still plenty of money to waste.

According to Manx Radio 9,500 public sector workers are to be surveyed in this

 

9,500!

According to Manx radio something like half the population listen to Manx radio!

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Government not buying local in its "what you think about your conditions and how is it going" survey for Govt employees. They have a firm from Essex in "to assist" in this "important" work. Clearly still plenty of money to waste.

According to Manx Radio 9,500 public sector workers are to be surveyed in this

 

9,500!

According to Manx radio something like half the population listen to Manx radio!

Of course they do, they are the best radio station in the north west of england you idiot.

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Government not buying local in its "what you think about your conditions and how is it going" survey for Govt employees. They have a firm from Essex in "to assist" in this "important" work. Clearly still plenty of money to waste.

According to Manx Radio 9,500 public sector workers are to be surveyed in this

 

9,500!

Mrs Beecroft should ask 'em how much the survey is costing the taxpayer.

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I have a vague recollection that under the hand of Leonard Singer the bread issue viz a viz Ramsey Bakery went to "Europe". It had to. I think the European Commission knocked 'em back...The IOM is "in" for trade and rules and regs on agricultural produce and such...So it may well now be that they cannot control prices as was the case in the past???

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Government not buying local in its "what you think about your conditions and how is it going" survey for Govt employees. They have a firm from Essex in "to assist" in this "important" work. Clearly still plenty of money to waste.

 

If you are going to do this sort of thing, It makes sense for these sort of consultative exercises being done by an 'outsider', because people are more likely to trust the confidentiality and so on if data is being processed and kept off the Island. In fact they probably should be doing more because if the distribution (and collection?) of the surveys is done via the centralised bureaucracy, then people may respond in the way that they think will win approval rather than saying what they really think. Which may be what government wants of course.

 

And it's also true that an outsider may be seen as bringing in other relevant experience, being less biased and free from accusations of interference from government. Though of course none of that seems to matter when appointing a new Chief Constable or Attorney General - perhaps outside scrutiny can be taken a little too far for some.

 

Whether you should do such exercises is another matter. Like most consultants, such firms will be well aware that clients do them to be told what they want to hear and to come up with the 'solutions' that they already want to implement but don't have the guts to announce or wit to defend. And even with the best will in the world, the sort of areas to be investigated will be specified by the Government, maybe quite tightly.

 

Indeed the Manx Radio piece that announces this[1]:

 

 

A huge survey of the views of thousands of Manx government workers is an ambitious project - which needs input from off-Island research experts.
That view from director of the government's Transformation Programme Dan Davies.
He's been tasked with helping departments and their staff shed what the chief minister has called a 'silo' mentality and take a more joined-up approach to providing services across government.
The Have your Say survey aims to find out what 9,500 public service staff think about government as a whole, their conditions and the culture in which they work.
Essex-based market research firm ORC International has been employed to help carry out the survey
But Mr Davies denies suggestions the company is running the whole survey:

 

rather suggests that government already knows the sort of answers it wants to get.

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Incidentally ORC International is a very well known market research company, based in Princeton where it was founded in 1938. Of course the danger with using such a large company is that they may be too experienced in such work and just give you the standard 'one size fits all' report with all the latest fashionable thinking and jargon but without considering what is really needed for and specific to the Island. Which again may be what is wanted.

 

So ORC isn't Essex-based but New Jersey-based, even its British offices aren't in Essex, but in London (and Manchester). I can only assume that Manx Radio saw 'ORC', thought Lord of the Rings, and then picked the nearest equivalent to Mordor they could think of.

 

 

[1] There doesn't seem to be an associated press release, or there was it hasn't been published on the website. This may be part of the increasing trend where such things are kept from the public to prevent them seeing just how little work the local media do to process such things. Alternatively Dan Davies may have just decided to have a little chat with his old mates and Manx Radio and not bothered to tell the other outlets.

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This is just going to be a mega-propaganda exercise for the CoMin regime

 

Everyone who is in a 'public sector' job will say how pleased they are to be dedicating their lives to bettering 'the community', Bell will say how pleased he is to keep these people in jobs rather than making them compulsorily redundant & paying them benefits, and the whole thing will be used to justify CoMin's (largely absent) programme of government

 

The results will be placed on his stupid scoreboard website

 

Meanwhile, everywhere else governments are measuring the happiness levels of their citizens and publishing the results

 

Mr Bell does sanctimonious navel-gazing so well he ought to get a prize for it

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Amazing.

Just read this thread from start to finish and I am minded to retract everything I said about that nice Mr Corkish.

Ill-informed gossip like this has no actual place in the real world.

No wonder we are blessed with a form of government which is not democratic, but a self-perpetuating oligarchy.

No wonder politicians think they can do and say what they like and it won't matter a damn.

Faced with a subject worthy of actual debate - should we buy local at all costs, or at some cost, or just not bother - the best you can come up with is to seize the moment to stick a knife in Stu Peters because he's just about the only one with enough balls to come on here under his real name, and then spend pages talking about pasteirised milk, egg boxes and signs on pavements.

TBT thinks it's funny gettinjg his dog to piss on it.

And while you're all obsessed with that, your government in pissing itself laughing, and pissing on you.

No wonder, if this is your best effort at expressing the will of the people.

You get what you deserve, and on this showing, what you deserve is being pissed on.

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Amazing.

Just read this thread from start to finish and I am minded to retract everything I said about that nice Mr Corkish.

Ill-informed gossip like this has no actual place in the real world.

No wonder we are blessed with a form of government which is not democratic, but a self-perpetuating oligarchy.

No wonder politicians think they can do and say what they like and it won't matter a damn.

Faced with a subject worthy of actual debate - should we buy local at all costs, or at some cost, or just not bother - the best you can come up with is to seize the moment to stick a knife in Stu Peters because he's just about the only one with enough balls to come on here under his real name, and then spend pages talking about pasteirised milk, egg boxes and signs on pavements.

TBT thinks it's funny gettinjg his dog to piss on it.

And while you're all obsessed with that, your government in pissing itself laughing, and pissing on you.

No wonder, if this is your best effort at expressing the will of the people.

You get what you deserve, and on this showing, what you deserve is being pissed on.

Go on then. Show us where we are going wrong and get the thread back on track. The stage is yours.

 

As for anonymity, you are right to credit Stu for posting in his name. But you are not telling me that he posts here exactly what he would post if he was using pseudonym. There are so many reasons for this, but self preservation and self interest are among them. Is it better to get a sanitised version of opinions under a real name or to really know opinions that are out there but not know the name of the individual?

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Amazing.

Just read this thread from start to finish and I am minded to retract everything I said about that nice Mr Corkish.

Ill-informed gossip like this has no actual place in the real world.

No wonder we are blessed with a form of government which is not democratic, but a self-perpetuating oligarchy.

No wonder politicians think they can do and say what they like and it won't matter a damn.

Faced with a subject worthy of actual debate - should we buy local at all costs, or at some cost, or just not bother - the best you can come up with is to seize the moment to stick a knife in Stu Peters because he's just about the only one with enough balls to come on here under his real name, and then spend pages talking about pasteirised milk, egg boxes and signs on pavements.

TBT thinks it's funny gettinjg his dog to piss on it.

And while you're all obsessed with that, your government in pissing itself laughing, and pissing on you.

No wonder, if this is your best effort at expressing the will of the people.

You get what you deserve, and on this showing, what you deserve is being pissed on.

Go on then. Show us where we are going wrong and get the thread back on track. The stage is yours.

Let's go back to the OP. Imported bread and milk in schools, right or wrong.

 

Personally can't see one reason how it could be a good idea, but I'm willing to have it explained, as long as it doesn't involve Stu's street signs and dog piss.

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If government are going to undertake an exercise of this size they might as well survey the entirety of public opinion and see how the views of cosily sheltered 'public sector workers' diverge from those of the currently much put upon general public

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