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The secondary radar system has been out of action since about the end of November and is currently notamed to be out of service until the 31st March. I wonder where all this fits with the directress and her bids for money when the old radar had to be withdrawn from service some three years ago or the sky would fall in or some such ! The old radar is the one that is working at the moment but makes more work for everyone approaching the island. It seems to beg the question when will someone say enough of this nonsense we paid for a system which should work so lets get that sorted !

 

The ministers replies seem a little at odds with some of the things coming out of ATC about this farcical situation. I am amused by scratching around looking for parts for TT period not exactly Heathrow on Sea is it LOL !!

 

 

What is it with civil servants and airports a small scottish airport had operated for years without any problems until the local council employed a civil servant specialist to run it, they promptly spent 9 million pounds on infrastructure and took away functions which had run for years, jobs were created in the tower and all was well, only thing forgotten was where in hell where they going to get passengers from to support this development .... anyway a few years later everyone got pissed off court cases ensued with landowners and ATC now consists of a guy on a bike with a handheld radio which it did before 9 million was spent, oh and you can still get a commercial flight from there !! funny old world !

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In answer to the first part, the airport can operate without radar, and has frequently done so in the past. When there is no radar, a 'procedural service' is provided - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_control

Thank you. Additional question. If it had to go long term without radar due to certificate issues would EasyJet and Flybe as major listed carriers be able to maintain a service to the IOM or would their insurers or risk people deem it too high a risk? It seems to us that if the new radar does not get a certificate the back up is already past its serviceable life (hence why the investment was agreed for the new radar) so the operational risks seem quite high?

Many airlines operate to airfields without radar where only procedural approach control exists. Inverness after 6pm, Knock and Waterford in Eire (all day) are examples. I can see no reason why they would not operate into the IOM unde similar conditions.

 

Greater separation of aircraft from each other under procedural approaches results in longer flight times. That would be the only noticeable impact to the travelling public.

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Expect a public appeal anytime soon to set up a voluntary network of those living on Ronaldsway approach flight paths.

Volunteers will be asked to phone the control tower to alert them to the exact position of approaching aircraft.

eg. Juan@Cregneash, "Hey Bhoy! There's a big oul' blue wan goin' in over the jinny-nettles behind the thie-veg now, yessir."

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The secondary radar system has been out of action since about the end of November and is currently notamed to be out of service until the 31st March. I wonder where all this fits with the directress and her bids for money when the old radar had to be withdrawn from service some three years ago or the sky would fall in or some such ! The old radar is the one that is working at the moment but makes more work for everyone approaching the island. It seems to beg the question when will someone say enough of this nonsense we paid for a system which should work so lets get that sorted !

 

The ministers replies seem a little at odds with some of the things coming out of ATC about this farcical situation. I am amused by scratching around looking for parts for TT period not exactly Heathrow on Sea is it LOL !!

 

 

What is it with civil servants and airports a small scottish airport had operated for years without any problems until the local council employed a civil servant specialist to run it, they promptly spent 9 million pounds on infrastructure and took away functions which had run for years, jobs were created in the tower and all was well, only thing forgotten was where in hell where they going to get passengers from to support this development .... anyway a few years later everyone got pissed off court cases ensued with landowners and ATC now consists of a guy on a bike with a handheld radio which it did before 9 million was spent, oh and you can still get a commercial flight from there !! funny old world !

I think its only half out of service from reading earlier posts asitis? But is the new system half in service or totally out. I'm not clear on that?

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Expect a public appeal anytime soon to set up a voluntary network of those living on Ronaldsway approach flight paths.

Volunteers will be asked to phone the control tower to alert them to the exact position of approaching aircraft.

eg. Juan@Cregneash, "Hey Bhoy! There's a big oul' blue wan goin' in over the jinny-nettles behind the thie-veg now, yessir."

You can just envisage an UHNW's Cessna Citation being led into the Jet Port by a candle lit vigil of old ladies holding their lighters aloft like the climax to a Cliff Richard concert.

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The secondary radar system has been out of action since about the end of November and is currently notamed to be out of service until the 31st March. I wonder where all this fits with the directress and her bids for money when the old radar had to be withdrawn from service some three years ago or the sky would fall in or some such ! The old radar is the one that is working at the moment but makes more work for everyone approaching the island. It seems to beg the question when will someone say enough of this nonsense we paid for a system which should work so lets get that sorted !

 

The ministers replies seem a little at odds with some of the things coming out of ATC about this farcical situation. I am amused by scratching around looking for parts for TT period not exactly Heathrow on Sea is it LOL !!

 

 

What is it with civil servants and airports a small scottish airport had operated for years without any problems until the local council employed a civil servant specialist to run it, they promptly spent 9 million pounds on infrastructure and took away functions which had run for years, jobs were created in the tower and all was well, only thing forgotten was where in hell where they going to get passengers from to support this development .... anyway a few years later everyone got pissed off court cases ensued with landowners and ATC now consists of a guy on a bike with a handheld radio which it did before 9 million was spent, oh and you can still get a commercial flight from there !! funny old world !

I think its only half out of service from reading earlier posts asitis? But is the new system half in service or totally out. I'm not clear on that?

 

Much of what the true situation is, is clouded in mist ! I asked one of my friends from the tower who declined to tell me, saying he had been sworn to secrecy I respect that, but clearly if that is necessary there is something they don't want the taxpayers to know. If the radar is primary only at the moment that would infer I think, that the old system is doing that but who knows there is no information forthcoming other than the notams.

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Expect a public appeal anytime soon to set up a voluntary network of those living on Ronaldsway approach flight paths.

Volunteers will be asked to phone the control tower to alert them to the exact position of approaching aircraft.

eg. Juan@Cregneash, "Hey Bhoy! There's a big oul' blue wan goin' in over the jinny-nettles behind the thie-veg now, yessir."

You can just envisage an UHNW's Cessna Citation being led into the Jet Port by a candle lit virgile of old ladies holding their lighters aloft like the climax to a Cliff Richard concert.

 

 

On one hand they want to be this glamorous private jet business center, and on the other the place is so mismanaged they don't have a working radar and even piss off the cab drivers. This is staggering incompetence on a level previously unknown. And they really get paid for screwing the place up like this? Really??

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