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2 hours ago, Chinahand said:

 

This is the question to Teapot Helix HeteroErectus etc. What evidence would you accept that Hamas were using the Hospital site for nefarious purposes?

I think it's pretty likely they have, and have done for a long time. 

 

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8 hours ago, HeteroErectus said:

I'll be honest, I don't give a shit if they have a "base" under there or not. What's more nefarious, killing 1200 people or killing 14,000?

I think that maybe the reason this thread is going in circles, is that the basic point being made is; yes, everybody would say they feel bad about the Israeli civilians killed in October. They were killed by terrorists. But to say terrorism is bad then do the exact same thing to 10x the number of innocents is inexcusable.

Hate just breeding more hate.

How very naive.

The massive difference between the two acts is that the Israelis were butchered without warning whereas the Palestinians were told to get out of the firing line with time to spare.

Personally I can't understand, after being warned what was coming, why anyone especially with children would stay in harm's way. Of course all the usual suspects will bang on about the journey, old folks, conditions in the South, how it's not a perfectly safe haven etc etc but being a Hamas supporter will not get a mention.

They were told to leave but instead made a choice to stay in harms way with inevitable results...

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40 minutes ago, P.K. said:

How very naive.

The massive difference between the two acts is that the Israelis were butchered without warning whereas the Palestinians were told to get out of the firing line with time to spare.

Personally I can't understand, after being warned what was coming, why anyone especially with children would stay in harm's way. Of course all the usual suspects will bang on about the journey, old folks, conditions in the South, how it's not a perfectly safe haven etc etc but being a Hamas supporter will not get a mention.

They were told to leave but instead made a choice to stay in harms way with inevitable results...

Yes, HeteroErecto wins the Dumbass award for today's false equivalence. One was an act of planned mass terror and an act of war; without warning, aimed solely at innocent civilians, involving pre-meditated barbarism and horrific torture. The other was a military response, with plenty of warning, aimed primarily at those same terrorist mass murderers. There's hardly a state in the world that wouldn't react in a similar way to Israel, to protect its citizens and rescue its hostages.  

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1 hour ago, P.K. said:

How very naive.

The massive difference between the two acts is that the Israelis were butchered without warning whereas the Palestinians were told to get out of the firing line with time to spare.

Personally I can't understand, after being warned what was coming, why anyone especially with children would stay in harm's way. Of course all the usual suspects will bang on about the journey, old folks, conditions in the South, how it's not a perfectly safe haven etc etc but being a Hamas supporter will not get a mention.

They were told to leave but instead made a choice to stay in harms way with inevitable results.

OK, you're qualifying levels of murder now. 

46 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Yes, HeteroErecto wins the Dumbass award for today's false equivalence. One was an act of planned mass terror and an act of war; without warning, aimed solely at innocent civilians, involving pre-meditated barbarism and horrific torture. The other was a military response, with plenty of warning, aimed primarily at those same terrorist mass murderers. There's hardly a state in the world that wouldn't react in a similar way to Israel, to protect its citizens and rescue its hostages.  

As long as its relatiation, what's the problem? Fuck it, kill more of the vermin.

More the merrier. As long at its for a military (coloniser) goal, why not nuke them? 

Can you imagine if you pair were about in the 40s. 

"Hitler says he's sending a blitz and we need to leave England ASAP"

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1 hour ago, P.K. said:

Palestinians were told to get out of the firing line with time to spare.

Easy to move hospital patients when all the infrastructure is destroyed is it? And which area are they supposed to move to, can you show me where the IDF hasn't been striking that has any population at all?

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38 minutes ago, HeteroErectus said:

OK, you're qualifying levels of murder now. 

As long as its relatiation, what's the problem? Fuck it, kill more of the vermin.

More the merrier. As long at its for a military (coloniser) goal, why not nuke them? 

Can you imagine if you pair were about in the 40s. 

"Hitler says he's sending a blitz and we need to leave England ASAP"

Predictably enough ignoring the reality and playing the man and not the ball...

The bottom line remains the same no matter what bs you spout...

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3 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Easy to move hospital patients when all the infrastructure is destroyed is it? And which area are they supposed to move to, can you show me where the IDF hasn't been striking that has any population at all?

See above "Of course, all the usual suspects will bang on...." etc etc etc

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