Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 A man and woman together are the best parents, but in terms of single parentage a man cannot raise a child as well as a woman. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Dreidel Dreidelsohn can you not see the difference between John giving advice on legal process and the alternatives when compared to saying what is in a child's best interest? Frankly TSM can hold whatever opinion they want, however, unless TSM is experienced in this area then their view and opinion is not relevant. I was not going to get involved in this thread because I had nothing of value to add. It is not an area I have any experience in, however, I was interested in the subject as I have a friend who this topic could be relevant to. I have made my point about TSM and will now bow out. I hope the OP resolves the situation to the satisfaction of all concerned. ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above... Edited August 21, 2014 by manxman1980 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above... I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 A man and woman together are the best parents, but in terms of single parentage a man cannot raise a child as well as a woman. Fact. Assuming you're a man, are you saying that Myra Hindley would do a better job of raising a child than you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The parents that are capable of being selfless and putting the child's welfare first are the best parents. Gender doesn't enter into it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect. Oh, so it's another TJ "fact", with TJ's own bendable terms and conditions in the invisible small print. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Assuming you're a man, are you saying that Myra Hindley would do a better job of raising a child than you? Sit down! I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Having breasts does help......... using cow-based milk formulas is shown to decrease IQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above... I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect. Agreed. So long as we also agree that there are exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3v0 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above... I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect. This is such utter bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I don't think it matters if its a single man, single woman, a married couple or an unmarried couple or whether the couple is male and female or same sex. its the love and nurture and education and time that counts. Not gender, number or sexuality. We happen to live in a society which currently sees it as a woman's role and that women have for 100 years been thought of as doing it better, other society's and cultures, and ours in a different age, believed it was the man. to the extent that the research quoted by TJ is valid, and I'm not sure that is the consensus, just one of many studies with different outcomes, that still leaves expressed milk or wet nursing as an option. What about adopted children, they generally don't get milk from their adoptive mothers, what about kids brought up by widowers. I don't think there is any consensus that female is best or better or that a male is inferior. its the quality of the relationship and bond between parental figure and child and the quality of nurture that the research indicates is critical.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 @ 3v0 "This is such utter bollocks" Surely not if it is "on average" and allowing for brillantly exceptional fathers and disastrously exceptional mothers? I wouldn't even have thought it was slightly controversial, let alone Bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 There's no such thing as an ordinary person. And what is the basis/source for your "on average" conclusion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 parental alienation is committed by mainly females, very few cases by males. this alone shows the males are better after separation to be the main parent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) @ 3v0 "This is such utter bollocks" Surely not if it is "on average" and allowing for brillantly exceptional fathers and disastrously exceptional mothers? I wouldn't even have thought it was slightly controversial, let alone Bollocks. It's becoming controversial as Huxley's Brave New World takes shape. The eventual "parent" of the modern age will be the state. But to get there, they first have to destroy the bond between mother and child and reduce it to a mere "societal construct", when the reality is it has a biological, chemical and spiritual nature. Saying two men ccan raise a child just as well as a man and woman, or a man just as well as a woman, putting the natural order on its head, is just one step in this direction. Promoting a culture of single parenthood, dependent on the state for financial aid, is another. Edited August 21, 2014 by Thomas Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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