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Dreidel Dreidelsohn can you not see the difference between John giving advice on legal process and the alternatives when compared to saying what is in a child's best interest?

 

Frankly TSM can hold whatever opinion they want, however, unless TSM is experienced in this area then their view and opinion is not relevant.

 

I was not going to get involved in this thread because I had nothing of value to add. It is not an area I have any experience in, however, I was interested in the subject as I have a friend who this topic could be relevant to. I have made my point about TSM and will now bow out.

 

I hope the OP resolves the situation to the satisfaction of all concerned.

 

ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above...

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ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above...

 

I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect.

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I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect.

 

Oh, so it's another TJ "fact", with TJ's own bendable terms and conditions in the invisible small print.

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ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above...

 

I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect.

Agreed. So long as we also agree that there are exceptions.

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ETA: I am really going to grit my teeth and move the keyboard out of the way after reading TJ's little interjection above...

 

I meant a [ordinary] man cannot raise a child to the same standard as a [ordinary] woman. Let's not pollute the statement with unordinary exceptions. Likewise, I'm not saying a man would be a bad single parent. I'm just saying they would be inferior to a woman in this respect.

 

This is such utter bollocks.

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I don't think it matters if its a single man, single woman, a married couple or an unmarried couple or whether the couple is male and female or same sex. its the love and nurture and education and time that counts. Not gender, number or sexuality.

 

We happen to live in a society which currently sees it as a woman's role and that women have for 100 years been thought of as doing it better, other society's and cultures, and ours in a different age, believed it was the man.

 

to the extent that the research quoted by TJ is valid, and I'm not sure that is the consensus, just one of many studies with different outcomes, that still leaves expressed milk or wet nursing as an option.

 

What about adopted children, they generally don't get milk from their adoptive mothers, what about kids brought up by widowers. I don't think there is any consensus that female is best or better or that a male is inferior. its the quality of the relationship and bond between parental figure and child and the quality of nurture that the research indicates is critical..

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@ 3v0 "This is such utter bollocks"

 

Surely not if it is "on average" and allowing for brillantly exceptional fathers and disastrously exceptional mothers? I wouldn't even have thought it was slightly controversial, let alone Bollocks.

 

It's becoming controversial as Huxley's Brave New World takes shape.

The eventual "parent" of the modern age will be the state. But to get there, they first have to destroy the bond between mother and child and reduce it to a mere "societal construct", when the reality is it has a biological, chemical and spiritual nature. Saying two men ccan raise a child just as well as a man and woman, or a man just as well as a woman, putting the natural order on its head, is just one step in this direction. Promoting a culture of single parenthood, dependent on the state for financial aid, is another.

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