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Freemasonry is rife on the Island, with 17 lodges and 6 Royal Arch Chapters (http://www.freemasons.im), and whatever their protestations, I simply cannot accept that Freemasons are just high-minded individuals who do charity work and socialise.

 

 

Oh!!!! But according to the Freemasons who post on this forum, their charitable fraternity and social club is terribly impoverished and struggling for membership on the island. *giggles*

 

Do you also giggle when you hear of other charities struggling?

Regardless of a person's personal views about them, they are the organization that puts money immediately up front for catastrophic events across the globe and without that, the Red Cross would not be able to function so speedily.

Again without picking sides, they donate lots of money towards local charities who are indeed struggling.

(We've had this before on many threads but no, I'm not in the masons before persons seek to look for personalised arguments)

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Give it a couple of years and without solving the underlying problem of government bloat and inefficiency they'll be back at square one looking for more income. And they won't find it. The solution is

Thomas Jefferson, a very good post. It is not only the disproportionate size of the public sector that worries me. It is that the whole of public administration seems to show fundamental failings. We

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Do you also giggle when you hear of other charities struggling?

Regardless of a person's personal views about them, they are the organization that puts money immediately up front for catastrophic events across the globe and without that, the Red Cross would not be able to function so speedily.

Again without picking sides, they donate lots of money towards local charities who are indeed struggling.

(We've had this before on many threads but no, I'm not in the masons before persons seek to look for personalised arguments)

 

 

The Freemasons are a fraternity, not a charity. They may be involved in supporting charity work but they're also among the principle proponents and beneficiaries of the current socio-economic system which perpetuates the need for charity work in the first place. Most charity-giving is done by poor working-class people and not by the people who love to pose for photos to be put in the newspapers.

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The majority of Masons here are a profound embaresment to most Lodges in the UK and Europe. Fact.

 

I refer you all to Edinburgh physicist John Robison's book Proofs of a Conspiracy (published 1797) in which he documents how the masonic lodges of Europe were being taken over and co-opted by the Bavarian Illuminati. Most lodges in the UK and Europe are themselves an embarrassment to historical freemasonry. But what does Freemasonry have to do with the OP?

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It isn't the Freemason's charitable activities that I am worried about, it is that in a small, relatively parochial community like ours, with an apparently extensive and pervasive Masonic presence, there is fertile ground for graft and corruption. It is just one of several more or less formal mediums for such things to flourish.

 

That, together with the other things I've mentioned above make me believe that our constitutional position should be examined, debated publicly, and put to a referendum. Specifically, the question is whether we feel the best interests of the majority are best served by continuation of our status as a crown colony, or by transferring much of our government to the UK, or (possibly) elsewhere.

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Being taken over by the UK Government and therefore run by UK civil servants is not the solution to our problem. Being taken over by the UK Government and run by UK civil servants IS the problem. It's high time the island become truly independent and purged its government of this fifth column of parasites and sent them on a one-way ticket back to the UK.

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Being taken over by the UK Government and therefore run by UK civil servants is not the solution to our problem. Being taken over by the UK Government and run by UK civil servants IS the problem. It's high time the island become truly independent and purged its government of this fifth column of parasites and sent them on a one-way ticket back to the UK.

A pipe dream.

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The Government must be honourable people - It says so if you believe everything in The Government Code

(I think I'll remain sceptical for the time being)

 

THE SEVEN PRINCIPLES OF PUBLIC LIFE
Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do
so in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their
friends.
Integrity
Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation
to outside individuals or organisations that might seek to influence them in the performance
of their official duties.
Objectivity
In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts,
or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make
choices on merit.
Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and
must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.
Openness
Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions
that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only
when the wider public interest clearly demands.
Honesty
Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public
duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public
interest.
Leadership
Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and
example.
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Do you also giggle when you hear of other charities struggling?

Regardless of a person's personal views about them, they are the organization that puts money immediately up front for catastrophic events across the globe and without that, the Red Cross would not be able to function so speedily.

Again without picking sides, they donate lots of money towards local charities who are indeed struggling.

(We've had this before on many threads but no, I'm not in the masons before persons seek to look for personalised arguments)

The Freemasons are a fraternity, not a charity. They may be involved in supporting charity work but they're also among the principle proponents and beneficiaries of the current socio-economic system which perpetuates the need for charity work in the first place. Most charity-giving is done by poor working-class people and not by the people who love to pose for photos to be put in the newspapers.

 

 

The simple answer would be for the IOM Freemasons to publish the monies they give to charities each year, or is stating the obvious, what would they have to hide from doing so?

 

 

The majority of Masons here are a profound embaresment to most Lodges in the UK and Europe. Fact.

I refer you all to Edinburgh physicist John Robison's book Proofs of a Conspiracy (published 1797) in which he documents how the masonic lodges of Europe were being taken over and co-opted by the Bavarian Illuminati. Most lodges in the UK and Europe are themselves an embarrassment to historical freemasonry. But what does Freemasonry have to do with the OP?

 

 

It isn't the Freemason's charitable activities that I am worried about, it is that in a small, relatively parochial community like ours, with an apparently extensive and pervasive Masonic presence, there is fertile ground for graft and corruption. It is just one of several more or less formal mediums for such things to flourish.

 

That, together with the other things I've mentioned above make me believe that our constitutional position should be examined, debated publicly, and put to a referendum. Specifically, the question is whether we feel the best interests of the majority are best served by continuation of our status as a crown colony, or by transferring much of our government to the UK, or (possibly) elsewhere.

I have never heard such a load of ill informed tosh in my life. Buster asks a good question and there is an annual report available to anyone who wishes to see how much money is raised and donated by Freemasons.

When you criticise and make statements quoting with seeming authority about something which you have obviously no real knowledge, you make me wonder about your contributions to other subjects, those which I may not have much knowledge of.

Freemasonary is struggling for membership. It offers no shortcuts to anything, if it ever did I don't know, perhaps in 1797 there was a concern TJ?

If you are interested, why don't you become Freemasons, you would swiftly learn that all of your silly dreams of a Masonic conspiracy are nothing more than that.

By the way, I am a lapsed Freemason, so unless there has been some dramatic change in policy, I can assure you that I am right!

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The issue isn't such charitable work the Masons may or may not do, the issue is the mutual back scratching and extra mural Tynwald committee meetings that take place.

So two Tynwald members couldn't meet in a pub and chat about anything, perhaps with another couple of locals to that pub? I think that the reason there are a few politicians who are Masons is because the disciplines of the two are very similar and appeal to that type of person.

 

Here's a bit of info about Freemasonary, pretty innocuous really I'm afraid.

 

http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/

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The issue isn't such charitable work the Masons may or may not do, the issue is the mutual back scratching and extra mural Tynwald committee meetings that take place.

So two Tynwald members couldn't meet in a pub and chat about anything, perhaps with another couple of locals to that pub? I think that the reason there are a few politicians who are Masons is because the disciplines of the two are very similar and appeal to that type of person.Here's a bit of info about Freemasonary, pretty innocuous really I'm afraid.http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/
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What takes place in the case of Manx lodges is an embaresment to lodges in the UK and beyond.

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